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A Log of our 12th Guest Speakers, the staff from American Songwriter Magazine, in the Songwriting Lounge - September 27, 1999.

Short Bios:
VERNELL HACKETT
Vernell has been editor of American Songwriter magazine since its first issue in 1984. She writes a column, "Pen In Hand," which talks about the story behind a song, as well as contributes features on songwriters and publishers. As a freelance journalist, she has written for Cowboys & Country, Country America, American Cowboy, Southwest Profile, The Washington Times, Amusement Business, Billboard Magazine, PetLife, Encyclopedia Britannica, Grit, Writer's Digest, Working Cowboy, Camping Journal, Country Song Roundup, Music City News, Outdoor World, and Satellite TV Week.
KENDAL FRANCESCHI
Kendal, an award-winning songwriter, was presented with SESAC's Legacy Award in 1997. Along with Quentin Powers, he wrote "Whoever's In New England" for Reba McEntire. Other hits include "Little Girl," also recorded by Reba McEntire; "Love's Gonna Fall Here Tonight," which was a Razzy Bailey recording; and "Love You Ain’t Seen The Last Of Me," by John Schneider. Kendal's book, Tell Him I'm In A Meeting, gives songwriters and fans a view of the music/record/songwriting business from the inside. He is a regular contributor to American Songwriter with his column "Kendal's Key."
LOU HEFFERNAN
Lou Heffernan has taken part in many songwriting-related events as a panelist, contest judge and instructor. Lou is a columnist for ASM. His columns include the: "Songwriters Associations News Column" the "Songwriter’s Tools" column. He is also developing a book designed to assists songwriters with troubleshooting their songs.

Lots of fun and a great deal of helpful advice was had by all. For those of you that missed the excitement, here's the log of the event. It might just make you feel like you were there after all... ;-)


-- Log on asm.log started at Mon Sep 27 16:51:32 PDT 1999
AmericanSongwriter Where are you located?
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crosscurrent In Corsicana which is 60 miles south of dallas
Joy Hello folks
AmericanSongwriter We don't have a newsstand in the DFW area yet . . . but you can get a subscription to the magazine
JodiMuse Hi Joy. Welcome. :-)
danNsara Hi Joy
AmericanSongwriter the Dallas Songwriters Assn. also get a comp issue, if you are a member
crosscurrent hello joy
Joy This is going to be interesting..I', trying to cook dinner at the same time
Joy :-) Just call me Betty Crocker
JodiMuse (laugh) It certainly will be.
crosscurrent I am fixing to eat dinner
AmericanSongwriter Lou wants to know if you are going to fix enough for all of us???
Joy Actually, I have to take it to my family. My grandpa just pulled thru a heart attack and everyone is at the hospital. But praise God, he is doing well tonight
crosscurrent Do you ever have articles on christian songwriting and song writers
danNsara I'm glad to hear that Joy
AmericanSongwriter Sure, several times the year. in March/April we almost always have something. Coming up . . .
JodiMuse That's good to hear, Joy.
AmericanSongwriter in December, we have a story with Mark Lowry talking about "Mary Did You Know?"
Joy Thanks
AmericanSongwriter Do you write Christian/gospel music?
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Joy I do
JodiMuse Hi Jackie. Welcome. :-)
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danNsara Hey jackie
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Jackie Type HEREHi. Thanks for inviting me
danNsara hi aspen & netty
JodiMuse Welcome, Aspen, Netty. Ok. Here we go. :-)
Netty hi folks
aspen Hi everyone
JodiMuse We haven't really started yet but we can do that any time. All we ask is that if you want to ask a question of our guests, just type in a "?" and one of the moderators will call on you to ask your question, ok?
Netty ok
aspen ok
Jackie ok
danNsara Ok - why don't we get started....I'm sure some others will be joining us as we go along, probably closer to our normal chat hour.
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danNsara hi gemini
gemini Type HEREHello
JodiMuse Hi Gemini. If you have a question for our guests, just type a "?" and one of the moderators will call on you to ask your question, ok?
danNsara Why don't we start by having the folks from AMsong tell us a little bit about themselves....
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Joy like what?
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AmericanSongwriter We are celebrating our 15th year anniversary this year. We began as a magazine dedicated
AmericanSongwriter to covering the songwriting community in all the major songwriting markets.
AmericanSongwriter We have written articles on everyone from Garth Brooks to Bon Jovi!
AmericanSongwriter Our staff is comprised of folks who write songs as well as those who just love songwriters!
AmericanSongwriter Guests tonight from American Songwriter are editor Vernell Hackett, songwriter/columnist . .
AmericanSongwriter Kendal Franceschi and columnist/songwriter Lou Heffernan. go ahead
danNsara Thanks - we're really happy to have you here
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AmericanSongwriter And we're happy to be here chatting with you folks!
Ron Hi, Lou, thanks for the phone call this morning. The ad looks great
JodiMuse Thanks for doing it guys!
danNsara I know that you all are proud of the fact that even though you're based in Nashville, you represent songwriting for all genres
AmericanSongwriter Hi Ron.
danNsara Ok - if you have a question you'd like to ask the folks from American Songwriter, just type a ? and I'll call on you when it's your turn.
AmericanSongwriter Yes we are. All songwriters have a common goal and we find that no matter what . . .
danNsara Anyone have a question to start us off?
AmericanSongwriter you write about or what genre you write for, that same love of the music and the song is there. ga
Ron ?
Netty ?How tough is it to be successful if you're just a lyricist, not a composer?
danNsara Ron, go ahead and ask your question.
danNsara Netty, you'll be after Ron
Ron How many of your subscribers do you think are writing primairly country music?
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AmericanSongwriter 32 percent
Ron And what is the next largest group?
AmericanSongwriter 13 percent do gospel and country and those who write pop and country are 15 percent
AmericanSongwriter 29 percent say they write all types of music
AmericanSongwriter Our readership averages 14,000
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Ron so 60% are writing country-oriented music?
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kidd ?
Lisa ?
AmericanSongwriter that sounds about right
Ron thank you
crosscurrent hello again I had to stop and eat
danNsara Netty, you're up followed by kidd and Lisa
JodiMuse No problem, CC.
Netty is it tough to become successful if you don't compose, but are merely a lyricist?
AmericanSongwriter Kendal says hiyah Netty, how's it going . . ..
kidd Does anyone have any views on Nashville and the staus of the songwriting industry there? Considering the "demise" of Music Row as we know it?
AmericanSongwriter It's really tough to be exclusively a lyricist.
crosscurrent can you send me information about ASM via my email address
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AmericanSongwriter It's hard to showcase a song without music
AmericanSongwriter So I would suggest you hook up with a composer . . .
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Netty Hey, I'd love to write for Reba!!! I do have a talented friend who composes the music, what should be our first step?
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crosscurrent ?
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AmericanSongwriter Kendal says he's primarily a lyricst who hooks up with talented composers. In case you didn't know . . .
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AmericanSongwriter he wrote "Whoever's In New England" for Reba!
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Ron good song
AmericanSongwriter thanks!
Netty Reba's the best and the songs Kendal wrote are some of my favourites
danNsara One of my favorite Reba songs...are you ready for the next question?
danNsara Kidd, I think you're next.
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danNsara Then Lisa and then CC
AmericanSongwriter Kendal wants to know if Netty andher writing partner have already written together and . .
AmericanSongwriter done a demo of some of the songs?
pip good!
kidd Does anyone have any views on Nashville and the staus of the songwriting industry there? Considering the "demise" of Music Row as we know it?
Ron ?
Netty yes and a fella named Fred Eaglesmith has offered to help us a little...he knows my friends work, and has heard a couple of our songs we wrote together...we're working on more
AmericanSongwriter Fred is cool singer!
AmericanSongwriter If he can help you that would be great.
Netty he's also a great guy...hilarious...lives in my home town and doesn't have an ego
AmericanSongwriter Kendal says once you have the demo, then you just need to start pitching the songs . . .
Netty ?
AmericanSongwriter trying to meet publishers . . . schmoozing . . .
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AmericanSongwriter if you have someone in mind as an artist then you need to figure out how to get your
Jackie Type HERE?
AmericanSongwriter songs to that artist and DWEIT!
danNsara DWEIT = do whatever it takes
Jackie HERE
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JodiMuse :-) That's a cute saying.
AmericanSongwriter Garth, Kendal wants to know if you need any songs!!
Joy Like it!
AmericanSongwriter LOL
JodiMuse (laugh)
Ron ?
pip it also sounds like do it of said fast
danNsara Here's the next order of questions....
danNsara Kidd (we still have that one)
AmericanSongwriter Kendal wants to know how you knew what DWEIT was - he just made it up!
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kidd ok
danNsara Lisa
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danNsara CC, then Ron, then Netty
pip i said it to myself
AmericanSongwriter Could Kidd repeat his/her question?
pip oops sorry
danNsara Sorry Kidd, but could you give it to us once more?
Garth My Christmas album is done! Actually, I'm the webmaster for American Songwriter. Just thought I'd pop in and say hello!
kidd hold on
JodiMuse Hi there, Garth. Thanks for dropping by. :-)
Jackie ?
kidd Does anyone have any views on Nashville and the staus of the songwriting industry there? Considering the "demise" of Music Row as we know it?
AmericanSongwriter Hi Garth!!! We knew it was you all the time!!
JodiMuse But if you need any songs, let us know. (grin)
AmericanSongwriter Kendal says it's re-e-e-e--e-a-a-a-a-l-l-l-l-l-y hard to get cuts these days . . . so what else is new?
kidd I gave up on Nashville in June
JodiMuse Well? IS that new? Is it harder now?
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Garth You're welcome, and I need hits!
AmericanSongwriter What do you mean by the demise of Music Row? Are you talking about the drop in sales of country music
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JodiMuse Web hits or song hits, Garth. ;-)
danNsara Or, the loss of staff jobs on the row?
Garth both!
AmericanSongwriter Kendal says re: demise of music row, it's the same as it's always been, its hard to get cuts and it always has been . . .
kidd Where would you say the next place might be for pop/country or adult contemporary
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AmericanSongwriter that's why it's WORK
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AmericanSongwriter If it was easy everyone would do it
JodiMuse (laugh) True.
AmericanSongwriter Nashville is the last songwriting town . . . where the lyrics still are important . . .
AmericanSongwriter what comes out of here still is what has always come out of here . . .
Netty amen!
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AmericanSongwriter you come to Nashville knowing what you know and then you learn to write for Nashville . . .
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AmericanSongwriter and you bring with that the flavors of the other styles that have influenced you
AmericanSongwriter I'm originally from Queens,NY -- what did I know about country music?
kidd They didn't seem to be ready for something new.
crosscurrent I have a song that you might be interested in Garth
AmericanSongwriter And I have to date sold in excess of 7 million records
Netty country music is about emotion...doesn't matter where you've lived, or how, everyone has an emotional story or two to tell
AmericanSongwriter Publishers and artists are looking for great songs -- nothing less . . .
AmericanSongwriter nothing more . . .
AmericanSongwriter everything else is BS.
kidd Nashville keeps cranking out the same ol' stuff. ie. Tim McGraw's new one, about the BBQ stain on his T-Shirt.
AmericanSongwriter That song is in its third week as number one, and it will be there several more . . .
AmericanSongwriter Somebody likes it . .
crosscurrent It does get a little old after awhile
AmericanSongwriter Frank Dycus once told our editor that commercial means that more people like it . . .
kidd Yeah, I guess your right, but the content is weak. I guess it is all about $$$
Ron What about the advisability of having a full demo, professionally done, say in a Nashville demo studio, as opposed to just a really clean home demo with perhaps just a guitar and vocal?
Netty ?
AmericanSongwriter Which is probably the goal of all songwriters -- for more people to like their songs
kidd true
AmericanSongwriter Kendal says no it's not about money . . .
AmericanSongwriter it's all about writing great songs . . .
AmericanSongwriter and the reason they call it commercial is that a shit load of people gotta like it . . .
LC ?
AmericanSongwriter It may not match your taste but somebody likes it . . .
danNsara I think Lisa is up next followed by CC, then Ron, then Netty then LC.
Jackie ?
Lisa What do you guys think is the best way to break into the business? Say you have good demos, where is the best place to send them if you are not a performer? Publishers? Personal managers? Attorneys? ASCAP, BMI? what is the best route.
danNsara Let's hold off on more ?'s until we get these next few answered, ok
kidd Cool, thanks for the insight
Netty When Eaglesmith told us to demo 5 songs we love, and 5 commercial, did he mean that we wouldn't necessarily love them but the public would?
AmericanSongwriter If you already have the demos . . .
AmericanSongwriter Kendal says start mailing them out . . .
AmericanSongwriter that's what he did and from that he was encouraged to move to Nashville.
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AmericanSongwriter he also started knocking on doors and trying to meet people. Once someone lets you in ....
AmericanSongwriter that's where you start.
AmericanSongwriter Also songwriter associations like Nashville Songwriters Assn and Songwriters Guild . .
Netty ?
AmericanSongwriter have sessiosn where pros come in and you can actually meet them, maybe pitch to them ...
crosscurrent where might i find a reasonably priced place to record demos since i live from paycheck to paycheck?
AmericanSongwriter and certainly get their card and maybe a chance to have a one-on-meeting with them
kidd demo's are dirt cheap in Nashville
AmericanSongwriter Also learn as much as you can about the business of music!
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danNsara CC's question is up, Ron's on deck followed by Netty then Jackie
AmericanSongwriter copyright your material before you send it out and also get your material critiqued . . .
Lisa Thanks guys!
crosscurrent I'm not anywhere near nashville
AmericanSongwriter by NON-friends, somebody who doesn't love you, who will give you an honest opinion
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AmericanSongwriter CC, where are you?
AmericanSongwriter You're the one from Corsicana, right?
crosscurrent My question is where can i find a reasonably priced place to record my demos
crosscurrent yes
AmericanSongwriter You can find good demo studios in either DFW, Austin or Houston . . .
AmericanSongwriter to find out if they are reputable ask them for references, and then ask those people if they liked . . .
AmericanSongwriter their product.
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AmericanSongwriter You might ask someone in the Dallas Songwriters Assn. for references . . .
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crosscurrent did y'all know Lefty Frizzell was born in Corsicana
AmericanSongwriter You can email them at michelle972@earthlink.net. ga
danNsara Ron, you're up...Netty you're on deck
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Ron Is it advisable to do a full demo, professionally done in perhaps a Nashville demo studio like Direct Image, rather than just pitching a well done home demo? Several industry people told me that a lot of publishers and producers don't have an ear good enough to hear anything but a full demo these days. How true is this?
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AmericanSongwriter It's kinda true . . .
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AmericanSongwriter If you develop a relationship . . . some people prefer a guitar vocal . . .
Ron but if you're new and you're just pitching?
AmericanSongwriter but to make your initial relationship with someone you're got to impress them . . .
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AmericanSongwriter So you want to make the best demo you can . . .
AmericanSongwriter BUT . . .
Ron but?
AmericanSongwriter more money doesn't necessarily mean better demo
Kenna ?
AmericanSongwriter The main thing is make your song sound good
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AmericanSongwriter DWEIT but watch your wallett
Ron A veteran songwriter, hall of famer, told me that publishers are not looking for good songs these days, they're looking for a certain sound
kidd ?
crosscurrent I'm outta here. Nice to meet everyone. Thanks for letting me in your chatroom.
AmericanSongwriter That's party true but it also has to be a good song
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Ron I think country radio is good evidence of this
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AmericanSongwriter Sorry I mean partly true!
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danNsara Netty, I think you're up
Jackie Type HERE
Jackie HERE
danNsara Jackie, you're after Netty
Netty what are the first steps to contacting publishers?
Netty Can the internet help?
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Joy Be back soon guys..about a half hour. Gotta take dinner to my folks
JodiMuse Bye Joy!
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AmericanSongwriter The internet is another marketing tool for all of us
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AmericanSongwriter you take advantage of whatever resources are out there . .
AmericanSongwriter and you might make contacts there you might not otherwise make . . .
AmericanSongwriter and you might also meet cowriters through the internet that you might not have met otherwise
Ron Thank you all for being here. I just had a great song idea about clandestine beermaking in prison. I'm going to call it Folsom Prison Brews. Bye!
AmericanSongwriter also there is good educational information on the Internet sights . . .
AmericanSongwriter Oops, sites, and you can talk with other writers and problems . .
AmericanSongwriter just like right now.
JodiMuse (laugh) I'll wait to hear that on the top 10, Ron. Good idea. ;-)
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AmericanSongwriter ga
danNsara Jackie, I think we're ready for your question now....Kidd, you're on deck
Jackie Should you pitch every song you write or should you be more selective?
AmericanSongwriter only the good ones
Ron By the way, before I go, someone asked about where to get good demos made. Direct Image in Nashville does it b
Ron by mail
Netty so search the internet for music publishers and see what pops up?
Ron You send them a tape, tell them what you're looking for and they'll do the demo and mail it back to you.
Jackie So who determines which the good ones are?
AmericanSongwriter Sure, you can look in the yellow pages under City Search . . .
roadie try Nashville Publishers Network http://www.songnet.com/npn/
AmericanSongwriter but check out anything you find on the Internet just as you would anywhere else
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AmericanSongwriter Kendal says you don't until someone who doesn't love you hears them . . .
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AmericanSongwriter and tells you that it's good and is pitchable . . .
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AmericanSongwriter Listen to what the professionals tell you
AmericanSongwriter Listen to what you're heart tells you and split the difference
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danNsara Good advice
Jackie Thank you
danNsara Kidd, you're up
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kidd Would Austin be a good choice to try to get something started since Nashville didn't work out, since I am really more Pop/Folk/Rock than top 40 country? Any other suggestions on location?
AmericanSongwriter yes it would; there are a lot of artists in that area that are Americana-type artists . .
AmericanSongwriter which is a cross between folk, country and rock . . .
kidd I guess I consider myself as much as a performer as writer...
AmericanSongwriter Dale Watson, Joe Ely, Butch Hancock, Kelly Willis . . .
AmericanSongwriter all of them are Texas-based
AmericanSongwriter All of them are singer/songwriter/performers . . .
kidd Any pub co's in mind or record co's there?
AmericanSongwriter and all basically do their own thing with their music . .
AmericanSongwriter and all of them make a living doing it . . . .
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kidd Any pub co's in mind or record co's there?
Jackie ?
AmericanSongwriter We have a publisher's list in the current issue of American Songwriter that lists some Texas publishers
kidd thanks
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AmericanSongwriter We also did an Independent Label issue a few years ago that talked about different record companies
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danNsara Jackie, you're up. If anyone else has a question, type a ? and I'll call on you as soon as it's your turn
AmericanSongwriter the process for finding publishers and labels in Austin would be the same as any city . ..
kidd less saturated than Nash
AmericanSongwriter Visit the city, check out the writer's nights, look in the yellow pages and start sending out those tapes
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AmericanSongwriter kendal says Nashville has become what NYC was in the 40s and 50s and early 60s . . .
pip 'see you guys,gotta go,have fun!...maybe later on. ciao
Jackie A lot of the books I have read suggest moving to Nashville. If this is not an option is it still possible to be successful? And can you do it from Canada?
AmericanSongwriter It has become the songwriters' place to be.
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AmericanSongwriter If you want to make a career at it you have to be where everyone in the town is recording music every
Lance ?
AmericanSongwriter single day . . .
AmericanSongwriter if you're gonna be a professional you have to be where those things are being done.
AmericanSongwriter ga
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danNsara Lance, you're up
uwillnome hey there
Lance If someone is a better artist than writer, can publishers help them get an artist deal?
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Netty got booted, what did I miss?
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JodiMuse Lots, Netty. But there'll be a log and you can check it later. ;-)
Netty glad to hear that!!!
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Poet Hey y'all how's everyone?
danNsara We have a question on the floor from Lance. We're going to wait until that question's answered before we take the next one.
JodiMuse Pretty good, Poet. You know the drill, right? Type your "?" and we'll tell you when to go ahead?
AmericanSongwriter Can Lance ask his question again please
Lance yes
Kenna ?
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Lance If someone is a better artist than writer, can a publisher help him/her find an artist deal?
AmericanSongwriter Yes they can . . .
AmericanSongwriter In Nashville they often sign an artist/writer to help them get a deal . . .
AmericanSongwriter and thereby ensure that the publishing company is gonna get cuts
AmericanSongwriter I think this also happens in LA and probably N YC as well
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AmericanSongwriter The publisher will put that artist/writer with other songwriters to write the songs they are going to cut
AmericanSongwriter then the artist/writer gets songwriting credit alongside the better-known writer
AmericanSongwriter ga
kidd odds are high these days
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danNsara Kenna, you're up
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Kenna if friends and fellow songwriters and complete strangers like your stuff, should you go for it?
danNsara Jackie you'll be after Kenna
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AmericanSongwriter Shit yeah
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Kenna i guess i just need someone to push me out of my rockin chair....
JeffM Sorry, hard to get there so close after 5pm
AmericanSongwriter Why not, what have you got to lose?
AmericanSongwriter the only way to fail is to never try
AmericanSongwriter yes you do need encouragement but you are the one who has to make that decision to go for it
Kenna i've always tried. just not full time
JodiMuse Very true! You never get anywhere if you don't at least give it a shot.
AmericanSongwriter A lot of people have a "day" job before they become full time songwriters
Kenna that be me
Netty determination is good, but money and location are also big factors
AmericanSongwriter But you have to at some point make some kind of commitment to writing
JodiMuse Kenna, you have to do what's right for you. Take it as far as you want to go. And yes, there's nothing wrong with having a day job first. ;-)
danNsara It's no fun being a starving artist
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JodiMuse (laugh) Definitely not!
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AmericanSongwriter ga
danNsara Jackie you're up
Jackie Is it true that you can copywrite material by mailing it to yourself registered mail? Is that enough?
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AmericanSongwriter Yes . . . it's enough unti you get a publisher, then they do it.
AmericanSongwriter You can copy right songs in a series under one copyright form which would allow you . . .
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AmericanSongwriter to put multiple songs per submission and therefore save a lot of money.
AmericanSongwriter ga
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AmericanSongwriter Back to question of full time . . . kendal has comment . . .
AmericanSongwriter The people in the business take you as seriously as you take yourself . .
AmericanSongwriter if they see you are committed to take the chance, then they see you as a serious contender.
AmericanSongwriter it's always risky because there are a lot of people wanting the samething as you
kidd ?
AmericanSongwriter and a lot of people have taken the chance and that puts them a little bit ahead . . .
AmericanSongwriter it's a decision you have to make with a lot of thought . .
AmericanSongwriter but eventually you're gonna have to let go with both hands and take the plunge.....
AmericanSongwriter and you still might fail ; there's no guarantee.
AmericanSongwriter ga
danNsara Go ahead Kidd
kidd I heard that "shot-gunning" your demo isn't the way to do it. How do I filter though all of the record co's and pub's tho find the right one for me?
AmericanSongwriter Research the companies to find out which ones come closest to the music you do . . .
AmericanSongwriter Once you find several who release the same kind of music you record, then send them your tapes
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AmericanSongwriter It always helps to make phone or personal contact first before sending anything.
kidd It seems the companies that have it "going on" are virtually imposible to break into.
AmericanSongwriter Many companies will not take unsolicited tapes through the mail . . .
kidd Are attorneys the key?
AmericanSongwriter that's the reason you HAVE to make contact somehow....conventions, workshops, seminars....
AmericanSongwriter even writer's nights.
AmericanSongwriter Anyway and everyway you can think of to meet someone from the label . . .
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AmericanSongwriter even if it's an aritst or an artist's contact at the management or booking agency....
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AmericanSongwriter Or someone who knows someone at the label. Maybe a local DJ?
AmericanSongwriter ga
kidd Do real player in the industry still come out to writer's nights. ie. 12th & Porter
AmericanSongwriter Yes some of them do. Some go two or three nights a week. Others don't ever go.
JodiMuse ?
AmericanSongwriter But at writer's nights you might meet other writers who can introduce you to their publishers . .
AmericanSongwriter if they like your writing style
kidd ok
danNsara Jodi, go ahead
AmericanSongwriter And in Nashville, especially, you never know who you're going to see at a writer's night.
AmericanSongwriter ga
JodiMuse Well, this might be a bit controversial, but I thought I'd ask your opinion on the MP3 phenomenon. What do you guys think about it? Will it make any difference in the industry as a whole? And how do you think it affects songwriters? Good or bad?
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AmericanSongwriter It's there so we have to find a way to make it, or something like it, work for us.
kidd thanks, bye
AmericanSongwriter all the players have to lobby as hard as they can for their particular interests . . .
AmericanSongwriter Bye kidd
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AmericanSongwriter Hopefuly this type of technology will open or create new opportunities for music marketing and distribution
AmericanSongwriter that up until now were controlled by major labels
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Jackie Type HERE HERE
JodiMuse I'm concerned particularly about how songwriters will be compensated for their work given the ease of finding and using music in MP3 format. Do you guys have any opinions on that?
AmericanSongwriter The songwriters guild is working really hard right now to protect songwriters interests on the Internet
AmericanSongwriter So join and help them in the fight.
JodiMuse :-) I'll certainly do all I can.
danNsara I think ASCAP just reached an agreement with MP3.com
AmericanSongwriter The PROs are working on ways to monitor the Internet to make sure songwriters get paid
AmericanSongwriter It's in their interest to do that because that's how they make their money
JodiMuse (nod) Very true.
AmericanSongwriter When new technology comes along we all have to learn how to use it to our advantage
AmericanSongwriter It's both scary, yet also an exciting time, for songwriters and for music.
JodiMuse I definitely agree!
AmericanSongwriter the internet provides another vehicle for music distribution as well as music piracy.
AmericanSongwriter More people will have the opportunity to hear the music through the sound bites . . .
AmericanSongwriter but if it isn't monitored closely, more people can also take the music without paying for it
AmericanSongwriter ga
danNsara We're ready for the next question. If you have a question, type a ? and I'll call on you when it's your "turn"
Lisa ?
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danNsara Go ahead Lisa
Kenna ?
Lisa I write blues songs (as well as other styles) can you give me the name of a specific blues publisher in Nashville who might want some blues songs?
AmericanSongwriter None come to mind . . .
AmericanSongwriter all publishers might have some blues songs . .
AmericanSongwriter but there's not much of a market here for blues material . ..
AmericanSongwriter ga
danNsara We're ready for another question....any takers?
Kenna I am making a demo in two weeks in my house. (4 trac) would that be good enough for sending out?
JodiMuse Sorry Lisa - your best bet would probably be to get a subscription to the magazine and keep a look out.
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AmericanSongwriter It depends on how good it is
AmericanSongwriter Some peole can do a great job with 4-track and midi-sequencing . . .
AmericanSongwriter ga
Poet ?
danNsara Go ahead Poet
Poet How involved do the demos have to be. Do you need full orchestration or is guitar and voice enough?
Poet I think around the 8th going down and around the 16th coming back
Kenna ?
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AmericanSongwriter Usualy for a ballad you can do a guitar/vocal or piano/vocal is sufficient . . .
AmericanSongwriter but kick-ass uptempo needs more to showcase it
AmericanSongwriter ga
danNsara Kenna, go ahead
Kenna if I get it done as planned, can I send it to you guys to see if its enough??? ( the demo)
Jackie ?
Kenna hehe
JodiMuse They're a busy bunch, Kenna. ;-)
danNsara I think they're charging about $400,000 per critique now Kenna
AmericanSongwriter Send it to Kendal; he'll listen to anything . . . .
AmericanSongwriter LOL!!
Poet LOLOL
AmericanSongwriter Kinda like Mikey, you know???
AmericanSongwriter ga
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Kenna Thanks Kendal, I promise you wont be disappointed
danNsara Jackie, go ahead
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Jackie Does it make sense to remake your demo in various musical styles (if the song is adaptable) to appeal individually to whoever you're sending to?
AmericanSongwriter Kendal says . . . UH-OH
AmericanSongwriter lol
JodiMuse :-)
AmericanSongwriter Sure if you can afford it
AmericanSongwriter ga
danNsara We
danNsara are ready for the next question...any takers?
AmericanSongwriter I just heard that "This Kiss" was first demoed as a blues number . . .
danNsara Yes, we have a copy of that demo
AmericanSongwriter and then one of the writer's said let's pitch it country . . .
JodiMuse Really? Cool! I *love* that song.
AmericanSongwriter And the rest is history .
danNsara It's very R&B
Poet ?
danNsara It sounds VERY different from the record
danNsara Go ahead Poet
Poet Is there a spot that lyrisists can send material??
AmericanSongwriter BTW, Lou says he usually demos his as polkas!!! LOL
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AmericanSongwriter Not really . . . American Songwriter has a lyric contest . . .
AmericanSongwriter And winners have gotten some exposure there . . .
AmericanSongwriter but by and large everyone wants to hear the whole song.
AmericanSongwriter I belive NSAI is now doing Lyric Crituques.
AmericanSongwriter ga
Poet Thank you
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Lisa ?
danNsara go ahead Lisa
lobo I know this sounds dumb to you all but, where would you put a guitar capo if the song is in the Key of D?
Lisa What is the best way to parlay my contest winnings into something useful in the BIZ?
AmericanSongwriter Danny???
JodiMuse Lobo, if you have a question for the guests, please type a "?" and we'll get to you from now on... but I think someone should be able to answer that?
danNsara We'll do that right after Lisa's question is answered Lobo
AmericanSongwriter Do you mean you have won songwriting contests and what do you do now?
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Lisa Yes.
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AmericanSongwriter You can send our releases to your local newspapers and get some press coverage that way.
AmericanSongwriter Once you do that, you can make copies of those stories (with permission) and include that in letters to publishers
AmericanSongwriter when you are asking them for permissionto send them songs
AmericanSongwriter American Songwriter prints winners of contests sometimes; so might other music magazines.
AmericanSongwriter ga
Poet Thanks what's your email??
Lisa Send my releases, you mean?
danNsara Lobo, back to your question
AmericanSongwriter Yes send your press releases about winning the contest to newspapers......
Lisa Thanks...
AmericanSongwriter then send them on to other music magazines like Billboard, etc.
AmericanSongwriter Our email is Asongmag@aol.com
lobo ?
danNsara Depending on what key you're playing in will depend on where to capo the guitar. For example, if you're in the key of C, you would capo the 2nd fret
lobo Do the chord shapes change then?
danNsara No, you would still play the chords from the key of C -- they would just sound like the key of D
danNsara Think of it like a transpose button on a keyboard
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lobo Gotcha!
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danNsara We're ready for another question for AMsong...any takers?
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DKM ?
danNsara Go ahead DKM
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JeffM Does that mean I should stop thinking of the transpose button on my keyboard as a capo?
lobo And this will create harmony with a guitar playing open chords with no capo?
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Jackie HERE
danNsara I think that's probably your problem Jeff :-)
JeffM ah
Kenna hehe
DKM I I'm thinking TAXI would require a very pro level demo for a submission to get very far?
DKM Do youagree?
Kenna ?
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AmericanSongwriter We're not sure about that but you could call and ask . . .
AmericanSongwriter ga
Joy Hey, I'm back!
danNsara Go ahead Kenna. Then we can take one more question
Kenna earlier you said that Nashville wanted a certain sound...do you mean "New Country" such as faith hill, tim mcgraw or a certain style music?
danNsara They have to wrap it up and head home for the day
AmericanSongwriter Nashville is gearing their music to a younger fan these days . . .
AmericanSongwriter so music that the above artists mentioned would do would certainly be in line
Kenna by that i mean home spun lyrics or love songs?
Poet This wee Poet must away to get some sleep ere break of day. Ciao all Thanks for the info
AmericanSongwriter but people are also looking for fresh sounds . ..
AmericanSongwriter you have to be a step ahead of the artist to figure out what's going to be the next hot trend
JodiMuse Bye Poet!
Joy Bye Poet!
AmericanSongwriter Love songs are always in order . . .
AmericanSongwriter and uptempo songs are always good . . .
Kenna cool...i'm good at those
AmericanSongwriter Postiive uptempo is a good bet
Kenna both
AmericanSongwriter ga
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danNsara Joy, since you just re-joined us, do you want to ask the final question?
JeffM no pressure :-)
Joy sure
danNsara Make it a good one
JodiMuse :-)
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Joy It might be redudndant though
JodiMuse Oh, no pressure.
danNsara that's ok...we like to repeat ourselves
JeffM yes, we like to repeat ourselves
AmericanSongwriter lol
JodiMuse that's ok... we like to... Never mind.
Kenna hehe
Joy How well do you think a XChristian songwriter can fair in the business..I write nothing BUT Christian music
Joy hehe
AmericanSongwriter the Christian market is wide open . . .
AmericanSongwriter it's one of the fastest growig markets today . . .
AmericanSongwriter Gospel music, according to USA today, is the fastest growig music in America
Joy Better chances if you also perform?
AmericanSongwriter They sell lots of tapes and CDs so go for it
lobo But didn't you say you were an "X" christian songwriter?
Joy The X slipped in there with out me realizing it..ooops
danNsara lol
JodiMuse No problem, Joy. :-)
danNsara I was wondering the same thing
Joy No, in fact I am praising God tonight for my grandfather's recovery
lobo I see, I'm not making fun, just wondering.
danNsara Yes, and that is great news!
lobo What type of christian songs?
AmericanSongwriter marketing a Christian song would be very similar to marketing any other song . ..
lobo Uptempo, slow, hymms?
AmericanSongwriter make contacts, have a good demo, believe in yourself and don't give up. and no matter what you write have a pssionfor it
Joy Upbeat , most of them..but also some slower tunes..all contemporary
danNsara I just want to thank the folks from American Songwriter Magazine for stopping by tonight to chat and share their knowledge.
Joy Thanks guys!!!!!
AmericanSongwriter thanks everyone; we enjoyed it!
danNsara It was very informative....thanks so much everyone
JodiMuse We really appreciate your joining us, guys. We had a lot of fun and learned a lot! :-)
lobo Don't worry, be happy!!
Lisa Thank you so much - great info!
Jackie Yes thank you very much.
Kenna thanks guys it was great...
AmericanSongwriter you can check out our website at www.americansongwriter.com
JeffM Yes, thank you very much for chatting with us tonight
AmericanSongwriter call us at 615/321-6096 or email us at Asongmag@aol.com.
AmericanSongwriter good nite all!
lobo nite
danNsara Yes, and send Kendal those tapes
danNsara :-)
Kenna i will i will
Kenna hehe
danNsara Just kidding
JodiMuse Bye guys!
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Jackie Bye and thanks for letting me know about tonight.
lobo hmm...
lobo It's over.
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