The Muse's Muse  
Muses MailMuses Newsmuse chatsongwriting resource home
Songwriting Chat Logs

A Log of our 13th Guest Speaker, Jeri Goldstein, author of How to Be Your Own Booking Agent, in the Songwriting Lounge - December 6, 1999.

A Short Bio:
Complimenting her 21 years as president of The New Music Times, Inc. (an artist management and publishing company since 1976), Jeri Goldstein's background runs the gamut of working inside the entertainment industry as concert promoter, tour coordinator, commercial television production engineer for an NBC affiliate station, commercial country radio DJ, photographer and graphic artist. She was the agent and manager for some of the top touring acoustic artists on the circuit including Robin & Linda Williams and Garrison Keillor And The Hopeful Gospel Quartet. Goldstein has booked national and international tours for artists performing in country, folk, gospel, bluegrass, contemportary, classical and children's music. She has also booked tours for theatre and dance. She created two innovative programs as a resource for performing artists-- Manager-In-A-Box, a consultation program, is designed to help performing artists, agents and managers enhance their career development. The Performing Biz is Goldstein's seminar which is presented at universities, festivals, and conferences, and for art councils or to individual groups of performing artists.

Jeri was a fantastic guest - and we had a huge turnout! If you missed it, you missed a great time and a large amount of really useful info - but never fear! It's all in this log for you to have a read through at your leisure. So enjoy! And stay tuned for our next guest speaker, coming soon!


-- Log on jeri.log started at Mon Dec 06 17:56:27 PST 1999
JodiMuse Well everyone? Shall we begin?
Peter Waiting with anticipation Jeri
Kenna go Jodi!
Songster Tell us something about yourself Jeri
JodiMuse Ok - first off, just to let you all know. Some of you know the drill, but for those that don't, if you have a question, type a "?" and wait until I tell you to go ahead, ok? Then you can ask your question.
Songster Oh!
Jeri I've been a booking agent and artist manager for 20 years working with artist who toured world-wide
DavidPiano Cool.
Songster ?
Jeri Im also a publisher in the states and have pitched songs and have had songs covered by major artists
DavidPiano ?
DavidPiano Great!
JodiMuse And of course, there's the book. ;-)
Jeri The I quit the booking agent biz and wrote the Book helping artists take control of their own careers
JodiMuse When you're finished typing, just type a [done] Jeri, and we'll know we can continue with another question, ok?
Kenna ?
Jeri I now do seminars and workshops around the country, in Canada and I'm waiting to go to europe. Done
............................donny left ............. :(
JodiMuse Yay Canada! Sorry. Had to get that in there. ;-) Ok. Ready Jeri?
...........................andyXVI joined............. :)
DavidPiano Hello Andy.
Jeri I'm set- ask away
DavidPiano Songster was first, right?
JodiMuse Yup. I'm keeping track, DP. No worries. Go ahead, Songster.
DavidPiano OK.
DavidPiano Just checking.
Songster What's the name of your book?
Jeri How To Be Your own Booking Agent and Save Thousands of Dollars, done
Songster thanks
JodiMuse Songster, it was sent to you when you first entered the chat - plus there's a bio up at http://www.musesmuse.com/songdisc.html . There's a link to it too. You can have a look.
Songster Ok, thanks
JodiMuse David? Go ahead.
DavidPiano OK.
DavidPiano As a performer, what's the best way to pitch yourself to new venues.
DavidPiano i.e. best spiel to use.
Jeri Attending conferences and showcasing tend to be the most efficient method
Jeri It depends on the types of venue you are trying to get into
DavidPiano Clubs, bookstores. . .
............................Paddi left ............. :(
Jeri What type of club?
DavidPiano Jazz.
...........................Paddi joined............. :)
DavidPiano WB Paddi.
...........................Jimd joined............. :)
Jeri There are Jazz showcases and conferences as well-but the best way is so often having the music speak for you- you've got to have a great CD
...........................12345 joined............. :)
DavidPiano Hi Jim.
DavidPiano Hi 12345.
Jimd Hello David
Songster .
Paddi geeze I got bumped, can't i just liten and learn?
...........................greygossamer joined............. :)
DavidPiano So basically go in, and say, "Hi, I'm a jazz pianist, listen and if you like book me"?
Paddi oops i mean listen
greygossamer Hi room
DavidPiano Hey GG.
Songster Hi Grey
Jeri Usually calling, introducing yourself, finding out who is the main booking person -who makes the decisions is most important
Jimd Hey songster
JodiMuse Ok - note for people - the system will kick you off about every 20 minutes if you're idle. So you want to privately send a letter to yourelf - like "b" or somehing to keep the system from booting you. :-)
DavidPiano Or type .
............................Tralfaz left ............. :(
............................Peter left ............. :(
............................tincup left ............. :(
JodiMuse Or type. yes.
Paddi thanks jodi
Songster Hi Jimd
...........................Tralfaz joined............. :)
Jeri You want to speak with the person who has the authority to give you the gig.
greygossamer Hello Jerri
...........................tincup joined............. :)
greygossamer and everybody
andyXVI jeri, do u think it's necessary to perform to sell cd's of your music
DavidPiano Yes, and when you have their name, you give them a CD. . .resume too?
Jeri Next, when making your opening statement, you've got to hook them within the first 2 minutes of the conversation
DavidPiano OK.
JodiMuse Andy, we're taking turns with questions, ok? Kenna was actually next - but I don't know if Jeri's finished - and I don't think she is.
tincup ?
...........................Peter joined............. :)
Jeri Remember, you are building relationships with each booker. Next you want to include some sense of urgency in your conversation
DavidPiano WB Peter.
Peter Damn what i have missed
Jeri Such as when you'll be touring in their area and perhaps you have just released a new recording
DavidPiano What if it's just to get exposure around town?
Jeri There's so much more to this question but perhaps we can move on to another one. done
DavidPiano OK.
............................Kenna left ............. :(
JodiMuse It'll be in the log, Peter.
Jimd .
JodiMuse Ok - next is Kenna. Go ahead?
DavidPiano That really helped a lot though Jeri. Thanks.
...........................Kenna joined............. :)
JodiMuse Kenna? You want to ask your question?
...........................Lisa joined............. :)
Kenna what is your basic advice to a person trying to pitch songs but not interested in performing the club circuit?
DavidPiano WB Lisa.
Jeri The largest mistake most songwriters make when pitching songs is attempting to get their songs to major artists right out of the shoot.
............................RollingFrog left ............. :(
Jeri Why not start pitching to artists you can actually have access to and get your songs directly to instead of getting bogges down in the maize of large publishers
JodiMuse No problem, Andy. :-)
andyXVI ?
...........................RollingFrog joined............. :)
Kenna i have started by joining my local songwriters association and entering a contest
Jeri We all tend to look so far outside of our own connections and miss the opportunities close by
DavidPiano WB RF
Kenna and am actively pitching locally
Jeri It is amazing when you pitch to those you know, what can actually happen to a song
12345 Type "?"
...........................Alicia joined............. :)
DavidPiano Hello Alicia.
Alicia Hi everybody!!
Alicia Am I late?
Jimd .danNsara hello
Jeri I've known artists who have connected with emerging artist who then really took off and so did the song
...........................Howdy joined............. :)
JodiMuse Nope. not late, Alicia. We have a guest speaker now though.
...........................MikeV joined............. :)
Jeri Also songwriting showcases are held by performing rights societies and often publishers attend those
DavidPiano Hi Howdy and Mike.
MikeV Howdy all.
Jeri I know BMI. ASCAP and SEASAC have showcases for specific types of songs- I think SOCAN does as well-but not certain
Jeri next question
Kenna thanks Jeri
12345 I spoke with a bar owner today.What is a good closing line for weekend work.
JodiMuse Ok. That would be tincup. Go ahead!
...........................montgal joined............. :)
Jeri Not sure what you mean-when asking for a weekend gig?
JodiMuse 12345, we'll get to you, ok? Tincup is up, then andy.
tincup What would be your number one piece of advice for someone just starting out in the booking business for another band?
Jeri Really get to know the band member you are about to dedicate your life to and be very clear about what role you want to play as their booking agent.
Jeri Set boundaries
JodiMuse VERY good advice..
RollingFrog ?
............................greygossamer left ............. :(
Jeri Understand the band's long term goals, mid-range and immediate goals
............................Songster left ............. :(
...........................Songster joined............. :)
Peter How about making sure that you are confident the band is actually great
DavidPiano LOL
Jeri Be clear about what you can and cannot help them achieve and above all base your relationship on honesty and reality
Jeri Many artists begin with a spark of artistic talent that may actually become great with time and lots of hard work-make sure there is that spark
Jeri Also know the market in which you are about to begin booking or get to know that market-can your band cut the mustard in that market
Jeri Do they have something unique to say or are they simply another band doing the same old stuff and then who do you want to work with
............................Tralfaz left ............. :(
Jeri Can you make a career out of it?
Jeri Done
tincup Thanks!
12345 Does everybody give advice .I'm new
JodiMuse Great advice, Jeri. Andy? Go ahead.
...........................Tralfaz joined............. :)
andyXVI I was wondering whether u should let the publisher searchy for emerging talent
Jeri I assume you are the songwriter pitching the songs
12345 ?
andyXVI getting back to a previous answer
Jeri The publisher will likely be overwhelmed with emerging talent
andyXVI yes
Jeri They will have a handle on the record label's search patterns and when they are recording a new artist and what type of songs they are looking for for that new artist
Jeri The record labels are constantly contacting publisher for new materials
Jeri Have any of you tried TAXI or other member driven song pitching companies?
andyXVI what's TAXI
............................montgal left ............. :(
JodiMuse www.taxi.com, Andy. Have a look if you like.
JodiMuse Has anyone out there used their services? Or services like them?
andyXVI thanks jodi
...........................montgal joined............. :)
Jeri TAXI is in Los Angeles but is a world-wide company set up to accept members. Then they pitch songs for their memberhsip. It costs $300 for the year
RollingFrog I'm about to join, Jodi, I'll keep you posted.
Tralfaz ?
JodiMuse Please do, RF. I'd love to hear more about it.
Peter Yes please RF
Jeri Rather than a publisher you keep the copyrights on your songs but they act on your behalf to pitch them to artists, lables , movies and TV
............................MikeV left ............. :(
Jeri Some artists have had great success with them
...........................MikeV joined............. :)
JodiMuse Are there others besides Taxi that you'd recommend people take a look at, Jeri?
andyXVI sounds good, but i'm in australia, does that matter?
...........................KD joined............. :)
Jeri TAXI is world-wide
...........................IreneJ joined............. :)
andyXVI thanks jeri
Jeri I'm looking up some others-there's one out of England, have to look it up
DavidPiano Hello KD and Irene.
IreneJ Hi all :-)
JodiMuse Hi Irene. Say hello to Jeri Goldstein. :-) Jeri, this is Irene Jackson.
KD Jeri have you had any songs accepted at taxi
IreneJ Hi Jeri, pleased to "meet" you :-)
Jeri I haven't pitched any. I am no longer working with the artists who catalog I had been pitching.
Jeri Hi Irene
Tralfaz Hi Irene LTNS (((HUGZ)))
............................RollingFrog left ............. :(
IreneJ Hi Tral :-)
JodiMuse Ready for the next one, Jeri?
KD just wondered because I get the idea they just want your $
...........................RollingFrog joined............. :)
Jeri I used to work with BUG Music which is an administrative company-also pitching your songs but you retain the copyright. TAXI wasn't up and running when I was doing it
DavidPiano Bug Music. . .I've heard that name before, but can't remember where from.
Jeri If your songs are pitchable and are good they have placed them with artists and on TV-Got have the goods
JodiMuse TAXI's been around since 1994, I think, right? There were already around when I started up The Muse's Muse. I've been in contact with them from day one and have always thought them to be stand-up guys.
............................RollingFrog left ............. :(
............................12345 left ............. :(
............................Alicia left ............. :(
Jimd I belong to Taxi, sent a few songs to them and no luck.
tincup ?
...........................RollingFrog joined............. :)
Jeri next question
JodiMuse Hmmm... We just lost 12345... who was the next question. So Rolling Frog was next. Go ahead RF. We'll get back to the other if he comes back.
Peter ?
............................Howdy left ............. :(
JodiMuse You out there, Rolling Frog?
Jeri Is there another question
............................Kenna left ............. :(
JodiMuse Ok. Moving right along... (chuckle). Tral, you're up.
Songster ?
Tralfaz I forgot my question *blush*
...........................gregb joined............. :)
DavidPiano ?
JodiMuse (laugh) Oooo boy. Ok... Tincup?
gregb good evening
tincup When booking outside of an already established fan base area, what is the most important thing to let the club owner know that you're trying to book?
............................Lisa left ............. :(
Jimd .
Jeri First, expand in concentric circles so you can bring some of your fan base with you-
Jeri Don't go from Toronto to LA for instance
...........................gemini joined............. :)
Jeri go From tornoto
............................andyXVI left ............. :(
............................RollingFrog left ............. :(
...........................RollingFrog joined............. :)
Jeri Sorry Go from Toronto to neighboring cities so your fan base and your reputation have a chance to string along and grow with you
RollingFrog Did everyone leave?
Jeri Keep track of your sales records such as how many seats you sell in each venue-that helps the new club owner get an idea of what your history has been.
...........................andyXVI joined............. :)
...........................Amy joined............. :)
Jeri In anew area you may not do as well-but when you expand by doing regions rather than jumping around, you have a better chance of making your fan base work for you.
Jeri Also keep track of merchandise sales- these things help establish your value and make you more enticing to a club owner
............................RollingFrog left ............. :(
Jeri Grow your mailing list and offer to do mailings to your fan base. There's nothing a record company, a club owner or any promoter likes to hear more than the fact that you have x n umber of loyal fans in theri area
............................Tralfaz left ............. :(
...........................Tralfaz joined............. :)
Jeri Also, if you have a CD, club owners want to know you are getting airplay, what stations and will you be doing an interview
Jeri Opening new territory means doing promotion
Jeri If you play in clubs-you want radio
............................Peter left ............. :(
...........................Peter joined............. :)
Jeri Fans who buy tickets to clubs, are often those who listen to radio and build a relationship with the artists getting airplay
............................Tralfaz left ............. :(
Jeri next qhestion
Jeri that's question
tincup Thanks Jeri! You've been a great help. Sorry, but I must be going. Take care and good luck to all.
JodiMuse That would be Peter. You there, Peter?
JodiMuse Bye TC!
Peter Thanks Jodi. Jeri - in todays environment what sort of period should you sign a song to a publisher for?
Jeri Thanks for your great questions Tincup
............................tincup left ............. :(
...........................RollingFrog joined............. :)
Jeri I think that is going to vary based on who the publisher and how extensive their contract might be.
Jeri Also, it would be important for me to know what their plans are for the song.
............................gregb left ............. :(
Jeri I would find out those kinds of pieces of info before signing a long term deal
Peter Thanks Jeri, Tons more thinkgs to ask but I wont bog you down. Cheers
Jeri Thanks-
Jeri next question then
JodiMuse Ok guys - since Rolling Frog is back with us, I'm going to let him ask his question before Songster goes. I hope that's ok. Go ahead RF!
RollingFrog Jeri- I've been working on a CD and ended up getting a bit of premature airplay and am now being asked to book dates- how should I proceed?
............................andyXVI left ............. :(
............................Amy left ............. :(
Jeri I would book some dates and begin creating a buzz for the soon to be release
Jeri Create some demand so that when it is done and out, you sell sell sell
Jeri Book dates around the areas where the airplay is happening
JodiMuse :-) There you go, RF! Create a feeding frenzy!
Jeri Make sure there is information given to radio about where to get the recording and when it will be available
RollingFrog the airplay was an accident but the station keeps getting calls
Jeri If you don't have distribution get an 800 number to print on the CD for mail order
Jeri Accidents can be fabulous opportunities
RollingFrog I'll take it! would you recommend a website?
Jeri If the station gets calls that can be a good omen for future radio
DavidPiano Some of the best inventions were accidents - fireworks. . .for example.
JodiMuse lo;
IreneJ Yeah, no kidding...sounds like you're off to a good start, RF :-)
Jeri A website is great-but don't forget that a website needs to also be promoted
JodiMuse oops! lol
Jeri done
...........................Tralfaz joined............. :)
JodiMuse Songster? You're up.
Jeri next question
JodiMuse And congratulations, RF!
RollingFrog Jeri, thank you very much!
Jeri Good luck with the recording
Songster Jen, Do you screen song material for the artisis that you handle?
...........................andyXVI joined............. :)
Jeri Yes I did but ultimately they got to hear everything because they knew what they were looking for or how a song might move them
...........................rabbie joined............. :)
............................danNsara left ............. :(
............................MikeV left ............. :(
Jeri next question
...........................danNsara joined............. :)
JodiMuse Go ahead, David. And then we'll be looking for more questions...
...........................MikeV joined............. :)
DavidPiano Are there any advantages to repeatedly playing the same venue? What are they?
Jeri Buolding a loyal and large fan base is the most logical advantage
Jeri that's building
............................KD left ............. :(
andyXVI typing to maintain my connection and ican't see my name on the list, sorry
Jeri If you are a home-town band-having a regular gig at an established venue builds recognition until such time as you need to move to a larger venue
............................Jimd left ............. :(
rabbie ?
DavidPiano Makes sense.
............................Peter left ............. :(
andyXVI kd wasn't kd lang was it?
Jeri I live in a town where the Dave Matthews Band was born. They played a regular gig downtown for a year, they began getting great crowds and began to expenad to nearby cities, alsway building a foundation.
DavidPiano :-)
...........................Peter joined............. :)
JodiMuse Uh Andy... I doubt it. ;-)
DavidPiano You're kidding, Jeri.
Jeri After the fans are hooked, they will follow you and long to come to any show you do
DavidPiano Isn't that how they built their entire fan base, word of mouth?
IreneJ No Andy, she uses lower case, lol
...........................mac joined............. :)
...........................Jimd joined............. :)
rabbie ?
Jeri Word of mouth and playing al l the time all over the region
............................Jimd left ............. :(
rabbie Jeri, How do I get a publisher(s) interested in my songs?
JodiMuse rabbie, I'm not sure she's finished with David's question yet. But you're next , ok?
rabbie ok
Jeri done
DavidPiano To quote the DMB, "So much to say. . ." but not enough time, I gotta run.
Jeri By David
JodiMuse (laugh) I guess you're good to go, rabbie. Want to send that question through again?
IreneJ See ya David!
JodiMuse Bye David! Take care and good luck on Friday!
DavidPiano Thanks Jeri for all the help, done a great deal informationally.
DavidPiano Thanks Jodi.
DavidPiano Happy holidays to all!
............................DavidPiano left ............. :(
rabbie How do I get a publisher to listen to my songs?
Jeri First, research the publishers and select ones that are publishing songs similar to the one's you write
Jeri Call the publisher and get a contact person to be in touch with
Jeri Sending material blindly get you no where
rabbie Ok, thanks. I notice a real pop trend though. I have always submitted w/permisson
JodiMuse So that everyone knows, incidentally, David has a gig at the Indigo Book Store cafe around the corner from me on Friday night. :-)
...........................itsme joined............. :)
............................Tralfaz left ............. :(
IreneJ Hey, that'll be cool Jodi :-)
rabbie Jeri, How can I get listening time even tho I don't live in Nashville?
JodiMuse I was really happy for him and thought I'd spread the news. :-) The Silver City's Indigo Book Store at Yonge and Hwy 7 in case anyone reading this is nearby on Friday night. ;_)
itsme Hello
Jeri Submitting with permission is a real key. There is so much being submitted that unsolicited material has a real chance of getting lost or tossed in a pile
Jeri Calling and getting a contact person is important.
Jeri Joining one of the Performing rights organizations can also be a huge help.
JodiMuse Joining your local songwriting association can help too!
Jeri Contacting them and pitching to them can help get your foot in the door of a publisher
rabbie How can BMI be a help? My partner is a member
Jeri BMI is there for it's members
Jeri As is ASCAP, SOCAN and SEASAC
rabbie Ok, but how can I get an audience even tho I don't live in Nashville?
Jeri Call them and set up a phone appointment with one of their membership associates.
rabbie BMI wouldn't even give recommendations when we contacted them even tho we have a membership
Jeri After speaking with them you can send your songs
Jeri Are you in the states?
rabbie Jeri, persistance?
rabbie yes, very close to TN
Jeri Then Nashville is your memberhsip chapter
rabbie for BMI?
............................gemini left ............. :(
...........................gemini joined............. :)
Jeri They host songwriting showcases where publishers attend looking for new talent
...........................JeffM joined............. :)
Jeri Yes for BMI
rabbie How can I get listings of such?
IreneJ Hiya Jeff :-)
JeffM hi, sorry I'm late
............................Peter left ............. :(
...........................Nan joined............. :)
JodiMuse Ah... Another of our co-hosts. Jeri, this is Jeff Mallett of Lyricist.com. Jeff, this is Jeri Goldstein. I'm making introductions. ;-)
Jeri Call Mark Mason at BMI and asl about their showcases, and various conferences or workshops which they host. Also ask him who you might speak with about your catalog
Jeri Hi Jeff- please you can join us
...........................Peter joined............. :)
............................mac left ............. :(
rabbie Ok, I will. Thanks. I believe in our product. We have several songs. Any words of advice for someone just starting?
Nan ?
...........................mac joined............. :)
Jeri Write share your songs and get critiqued. don't be afraid of comments. They will help you grow as a songwriter. Also set up writing sessions with other writers. that will also help you grow
rabbie What is the best way to find others in our area?
JodiMuse Rabbie, there's another question waiting, ok?
rabbie OK
Paddi"?"
Jeri The other big piece of advice is don't be afraid to edit your songs.
Jeri done next question
JodiMuse Wow is THAT a biggie.
JodiMuse Ok, Nan? You're up.
Jeri Shall I continue on that one
Nan jeri...what do you think about self-publishing
Jeri I believe in self publishing big time
JodiMuse We can get back to it, Jeri. No worries. :-)
Jeri Have you read Fred Kohler's, How To Pitch And Promote Your Songs?
............................RollingFrog left ............. :(
............................itsme left ............. :(
Jeri I think his book gives you a great handle on self publishing
Jeri I self published my book- a bit different but similar
Jeri No matter what it is a lot of work, persistance and dedication.
Jeri But on the other hand, when you hand over your material to a publisher, you need to be on top of them constantly seeing if they are doing what you want
............................montgal left ............. :(
Nan ?
...........................RollingFrog joined............. :)
Jeri Keep control over your work as long as you can. If you've really got something that is in demand, the publsihers and artists and record companies will come for you
Jeri Until that time, keep as much of the control as possible
Jeri done
JodiMuse Thanks, Jeri. Paddie? Go ahead.
Paddi ok
Paddi Is it acceptable to pitch just guitar - vocal demos to publishers?
Jeri Yes
Jeri So often artists get carried away with production
Paddi That's good news.
IreneJ :-)
Jeri Sometimes the artists want to hear a finished production but often the producer wants to hear the song so they can produce it their way
Paddi Thanks
Paddi Right
Jeri next
............................Peter left ............. :(
andyXVI but productiobn is important sometim,es, how do u know whjen
...........................Peter joined............. :)
RollingFrog ?
Peter ?
andyXVI sorry lots of typos
Jeri OH But make sure you make it high quality-they will rarely enjoy listneing to a really bad tape
............................mac left ............. :(
JodiMuse Nan, if it's ok, I'm going to hold off on your question for just a little bit since you just had one answered... Rolling Frog? Go ahead. Then, Peter, then Nan, we'll be back to you.
...........................mac joined............. :)
Paddi With home recording software it makes it possible to make demos with less $
RollingFrog so, sould I be pitching my work tapes? 16-track ADAT stuff?
Jeri If you know the type of song a particular artist is looking for or their producer, it might be important to get them a finished demo-but most times a good quality demo works
Nan ok jodi
Jeri Adat stuff works just fine
mac '?'
Jeri it is such high quality
............................rabbie left ............. :(
Songster ?
RollingFrog Thanks- I wondered whether I shouldn't go ahead and pitch rather than waiting for 48 channel mixes
IreneJ lol
Paddi Thanks Jeri
Jeri In reality, the song has to be the thing that captures them
Jeri When you get to much productio it can get in the way of the song rather than enhance it sometimes
RollingFrog so keep the mix simple and clean?
Jeri Absolutely
RollingFrog thanks!
Jeri next
JodiMuse Go ahead, Peter.
Peter I've just finished a demo which i'm ready to pitch. Whats the best angle of attack. Go straight to Rec Co A&R or Publishers, get an Attorney, perhaps a manager. Or should i keep gigging and let a fan base grow some more.Whats your advice Jeri
Jeri Definately keep giging always
Jeri What type of music
Peter Pop/Rock
Jeri Do you know about The Musician's Atlas?
Peter Hello i'm from Aus. But please go on
JodiMuse Ah... Now *that* is going to be an interesting publication.
Jeri They have current listings of A&R and Publishers as does Pollstar directories
Peter A bit like our music directory we have here I guess
Peter Sure the resource for getting contacts is there...
............................mac left ............. :(
Peter I'm just wondering whether to target a particular group or go with the lot
Jeri Pollstar has individual directories published 2x a year with agents, managers, labels, publishers. venues and clubs
Jeri I am always in favor of targeting, geting very focused-you can keep track of how your contacts are working when you focus in
Peter For eg, will a Record Co want to see a bigger fan base (proof of gigging history before they come knocking
Jeri Yes, they always are more interested when they see you touring and selling out venues
Peter Thanks Jeri, its a bit tough at the moment cause I'm finally extremely happy with what i've done , but now what am i going to do with it.
Jeri For record companies, touring is king- it sells records-no matter who you are-the proof is most major recording artists still need to tour to sell
...........................greygossamer joined............. :)
Peter As a solo artist are they keen for you to get your own band or does it work the other way
............................IreneJ left ............. :(
............................Nan left ............. :(
Jeri Marketing always needs to be a major consideration in any recording project. I firmly believe in testing the market to know whether anyone out there really cares about your particular art.
...........................Nan joined............. :)
Jeri In this day and technological ere, record lables are doing very little artist development
Peter I must be running out of time hey Jodie, Thanks very much for your advice Jeri
Jeri Many lables are taking finished recordings
Jeri You are welcome good luck
...........................Howdy joined............. :)
Jeri next question
JodiMuse No problem, Peter. Nan? You ready? Go ahead.
Nan Any news for us as to what is going on at Arista? (Hello to my NSAI friends in here)
Howdy Type HERE
Jeri I can't say that I have say updates for you. I've been on the road myself and just got back from my own touring and workshops
...........................mac joined............. :)
...........................rabbie joined............. :)
Jeri another question
JodiMuse Mac? You're up.
...........................Rod joined............. :)
JodiMuse Then we have Songster, and I think that'll be it for the evening, folks.
mac ok
mac I live in south
mac ark .I guess dallas would be my closet place to try to pitch my music. Do you know where
Jeri Austin is better
Jeri what kind of music
mac ok where
mac LIght rock country
Jeri Nashville
Jeri LA
mac Great my daughter lives in dallas
Jeri And again, don't loose site of local bands in surounding towns-check out the clubs in your area and go to shows where bands are playing who you think do similar kinds of music. Get to know the bookers and owners of the clubs and get in to hand those bands your music
Jeri Nothing like getting the music directly to the musicians. Get to know the bands and maybe ask them to open for them
............................Songster left ............. :(
...........................Songster joined............. :)
JodiMuse Guys? Just a short announcement before we move on to the next question? Apparently, according to greygossmer, Jimmy Buffet will be on Yahoo chat at 11 tonight - ie: in 15 minutes. If any of you are interested.
Jeri Hope that gives you a starting place.
Jeri next
JeffM Fins to the left...
JodiMuse Ok - we're on to our last question now. Songster? Go ahead.
Songster Ok, Here's something I've always wondered about.
mac thanks
mac yes
Songster Is it possible to pitch songs to publishers over the internet? Has anyone ever done it?
mac hey
Jeri I think you can establish relationships with publisher via email-invite them to your website if you have music online.
Jeri Also, many are taking advantage of MP3 and liquid audio as methods of getting samples to large listening audiences
Songster Don't know much about websites where do I learn
greygossamer liquid audio?
Songster And what is liquis audio?
Songster liquid
Jeri That's another whole topic where you might invite someone to chat with you about website capabilities and new technologies for songwriters
............................Rod left ............. :(
Jeri There is an amazing new frontier being used to do this work now using the web
JodiMuse If anyone knows of anyone to suggest, feel free to write to me about that at jodi@musesmuse.com . :-)
Jeri I'll get you some names Jodi
JodiMuse That would be great, Jeri. Thanks.
greygossamer great idea!!!
Songster Thanks Jen, But what is liquid audio? Never heard of it.
............................rabbie left ............. :(
JodiMuse It's another form of music compression, Songster.
Jeri It is the name of a company and a technology
Jeri thanks Jodi
Songster I've got some catching up to do don't I
Jeri If you wait a minute the technology will change so don't blink
Songster Ain't that the truth!
Paddi Gotta go, Sincere thanks for all the great info Jeri, Jodi, danNsara Goodnite
JodiMuse (chuckle) Very true! And on that note, I'd like to thank Jeri VERY much for being our guest tonight. You were wonderful!
Jeri I've enjoyed chatting with you all
JeffM
Songster Thanks Jen and Goodnight!
Nan thanks jeri
............................Paddi left ............. :(
JodiMuse Maybe we can do it again some time if you feel up to it, Jeri. And stop that blinking, Jeff. ;-)
Peter Thanks Jeri
RollingFrog jeri- thank you so much- now, where can I buy that book again?
gemini Thanks Jen
greygossamer LOL @ jeff M
Jeri Visit my website if you would like more info about my book or consulting www.nmtinc.com
JeffM Thank you very much, Jeri!
JodiMuse Follow the link from http://www.musesmuse.com/songdisc.html where you connected to this chat, guys. There's a link to the book from there.
danNsara Thanks Jeri!
Nan and thanks to jodi for the great resources
Jeri Good night all
greygossamer Good night allllll
JodiMuse Bye!
Nan goodnight
Jeri And keep writing and playing
greygossamer see you in Jimmy's room anybody???
JodiMuse Will do, Jeri. Thanks again.
JeffM night
Peter Good Afternoon
greygossamer thanks Jeri
RollingFrog Thank you, Jodi, Dan, and Sara for bringing Jeri in for us, this was a real priviledge
greygossamer Oh, really? I never got your message? I'm sorry
greygossamer oops
JodiMuse You're very welcome!
-- Log stopped at Mon Dec 06 19:55:07 PST 1999
Help For Newcomers
Help for Newcomers
Interactivities
Interactivities
Helpful Resources
Helpful Resources
Berklee Music Resources
The Muse's News
Organizations
Entertainment Cyberscope
Articles
Newer Articles
Past Columnists
Past Columnists - After March 2007
Market Information
Songwriting Contests
Chat Logs
Songwriting Books
Regular Columnists
Columnists
Spotlights
Spotlights
Services
Services Offered
About the  Muse's Muse
About Muse's Muse
Subscribe to The Muse's News, free monthly newsletter for songwriters
with exclusive articles, copyright & publishing advice, music, website & book reviews, contest & market information, a chance to win prizes & more!

Join today!



Created & Maintained
by Jodi Krangle


Design:


1995 - 2016, The Muse's Muse Songwriting Resource. All rights reserved.

Read The Muse's Muse Privacy Statement