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| JodiMuse |
Alright. So. To begin? TIMO, you had a question, right? Corrinne, as mentioned before, just type until you're done, and type [done] at the end so that we know you're ready for another question, ok? |
| danNsara |
how great Nan...you'll have to leave me a copy at Curb ;-) |
| Corrinne |
o.k |
| Nan |
will do :) |
| JodiMuse |
:-) Are we ready, folks? |
| AprilDawn |
yeah. |
| AprilDawn |
:) |
| Nan |
let er rip Jodi! |
| danNsara |
yes indeedy, welcome Corrinne |
| stephenb |
go |
| TIMO |
How many years have you been doing song contests? |
| JodiMuse |
Alright, TIMO. Go ahead with your question. If you have a question, please type a "?" and I'll let you know when to go ahead. |
| TIMO |
"?" |
| Kenna |
? |
| Corrinne |
Well, I joined my first about 10 years ago. :) |
| JodiMuse |
Yup. You're up, TIMO. :-) |
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| Nan |
hey hat |
| TIMO |
Do you still do contests? |
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| Nan |
welcome to pro chat KK |
| Corrinne |
the last one I joined was a songwriting challenge for tonos.com, launched by carole bayer sager/david foster and babyface. The contest was to write a melody to pre-existing lyrics written by Carole King and Carole Bayer Sager, specially for the contest. |
| kk |
Thanks - I'm glad to be here. Bear with me as I get used to this |
| JodiMuse |
No problem, KK. We're a nice bunch. ;-) |
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| Nan |
we are all good bearers lol |
| kk |
That's nice to know. Is everyone else a regular? |
| JodiMuse |
Just about, KK. Are we ready for the next question? |
| DavidPiano |
Pretty much, KK. |
| Nan |
we are all family..welcome |
| TIMO |
(?) |
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| Nan |
hello Lisa, how are you? |
| kk |
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| AprilDawn |
Hey Lisa and Nobby |
| samsamba |
So Corrinne, is the tonos.com contest still going on. I've never heard of it. |
| LisaB |
Hi all - hey Nan |
| Nobby |
Hello all |
| JodiMuse |
Sam, you can have a look at http://www.tonos.com to see what's going on now. They have a bunch of different stuff. |
| JodiMuse |
Alright, Kenna - care to take the next question? |
| samsamba |
Thanks |
| Kenna |
which of the major contests do you think are the best to enter and why? |
| kk |
Corrine, what contests are good for new songwriters? |
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| Corrinne |
The contests that I've heard about so far are the USA songwriting ,the john lennon songwriting, the Unisong songwriting contests. (more) |
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| JodiMuse |
KK, please wait your turn, ok? I'm going to let you go after Kenna though since TIMO's already asked a few questions. ;-) |
| kk |
OK |
| Corrinne |
And I think the answer to which is the "best" is actually based on each individual, (more) |
| LisaB |
? |
| Corrinne |
for eg. find out if the prizes are attractive to you and if they will (more) |
| Corrinne |
help you in getting closer to your goal as a songwriter, be it meet more people in the industry or getting some cash (more) |
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| danNsara |
sorry, got booted |
| JodiMuse |
No problem. |
| Corrinne |
I liked the Unisong contest because it offered the chance for the winner to co-write with some really famous and great songwriters, although the cash prize is not as much as the john lennon one, for eg. |
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| Corrinne |
the john lennon and the USA contest have more in terms of cash prizes and sometimes, the nice thing about (more) |
| JodiMuse |
Nope. But the cool thing about UNISONG is that a trip was involved with it too. They took the winner to the UK or to CUBA or Australia... It was very cool. |
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| Corrinne |
contests is that people in the industry get to hear your songs |
| Corrinne |
and that can get you some valuable contacts |
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| JodiMuse |
The USA Songwriting Contest also has a radio show associated with it now. So the winners get radio play. |
| Nan |
Welcome Lyric |
| ThePOet |
Hey Lyric Welcome |
| Corrinne |
that's great :) |
| Lyric |
Hello, thank you... |
| Kenna |
wow, thanks for your concise answer Corrinne, i appreciate it immensely! |
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| Corrinne |
no problem :) |
| JodiMuse |
KK? You're up. :-) |
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| kk |
Corrinne, what is the best way for a lyric writer to get started in contests? Are there good ones for beginners? |
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| Corrinne |
I'm pretty sure that the Unisong and the USA songwriting competition and the johnlennon ones have awards for lyricists ,so you could explore tha .I'm mostly a melody songwriter, so I haven't submitted any lyrics per se (more) |
| Corrinne |
there is a good one from ASCAP called the SAmmy Cahn award that goes to the best lyrics (more) |
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| JodiMuse |
Remember to privately page yourself something, guys - otherwise the system will kick you off after about 10-15 minutes. |
| Corrinne |
the award goes to the best lyric submitted by a person who has taken part in one of ASCAP's workshops |
| kk |
thanks - that's great to know |
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| Corrinne |
ASCAP has some pretty good workshops that are almost like "contests" to enter, because you do have to submit songs to qualify! |
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| Corrinne |
Check out the Lester Sill workshop for songwriters on the west coast (more) |
| Corrinne |
and there is another based on the east coast. Check out the ascap web-site for details. |
| Corrinne |
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| kk |
you're a huge help -thanks |
| JodiMuse |
TIMO? You had another question? |
| TIMO |
Do you write full productions for contests or just a melody line which will later be fully produced? |
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| ThePOet |
Sorry my friends, but this wee Poet must away. It's been fun talking to you again. Corinne thank you for the infrmation Good luck |
| Corrinne |
as full of a production that I can manage to get :) |
| hatman |
? |
| AprilDawn |
night Poet |
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| Beth |
goodnight Poet |
| Corrinne |
thanks poet. good luck to you too. |
| JodiMuse |
Bye Poet. |
| popo |
? |
| TIMO |
Night Poet |
| Nan |
Night Poet, I'll checkout your page |
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| JodiMuse |
Why is that, Corrinne? What's your reasoning? |
| Corrinne |
I know that some people say that even with a piano vocal, they can hear the full potential of the song (more) |
| Corrinne |
However, I find that the more a song is "clothed" in the right type of arrangement, be it full band etc. ie. the more true the song sounds to the original "sound " that the songwriter hears in his head, the better it is for the listener to "get" the song |
| Corrinne |
Of course it depends on the song. |
| Corrinne |
Some songs sound great with just a piano and vocal (more) |
| Corrinne |
Also depends on what you're pitching the song for |
| Corrinne |
A song can be arranged as a country song, or a rock song depending on the arrangement. |
| JodiMuse |
Good advice. :-) |
| Corrinne |
Therefore, it can possibly be submitted to 2 totally different categories ina song contest! |
| JodiMuse |
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| Beth |
? |
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| JodiMuse |
Ok. Moving on... Oops. I was going to call on Lisa... I'll just wait a sec ... And THERE she is. :-) Lisa, you're up. |
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| JodiMuse |
Oops. Lisa, you back with us? |
| LisaB |
Yes - Corrinne What is your writing process - lyrics first or music first or both together? |
| kk |
Jodi - quick question - how do you keep from being kicked out? |
| Corrinne |
Usually, 90% of the time, I get the music first. |
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| Corrinne |
(more) |
| JodiMuse |
I've mentioned it a couple of times, KK. You have to keep yourself "active" or the system will kick you out after 10-15 minutes. Just highlight your own name in the User Info box, click the "Private Chat" location and then type a character to yourself. Anything. Every 10 minutes to be safe. |
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| samsamba |
So, is this fun for you angel? |
| Corrinne |
HOwever, with some songs of mine like "Same side of the moon" and "fly away", I had the idea for the lyrics first (more) |
| kk |
thanks |
| JodiMuse |
No problem. :) |
| Nan |
or send me a private message, I talk back lol |
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| JodiMuse |
Or you could talk to someone else, sure. |
| Corrinne |
and then the lyrics and music came together for the choruses, and then the lyrics for the verses came, and then the melody for the verses...etc:) it gets confusing sometimes :) |
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| LisaB |
Thanks - I guess it varies with every song then |
| Mary |
Hi, everyone! |
| Corrinne |
and then sometimes, the lyrics and music come pre-packaged together. :) |
| Mary |
Took me 25 minutes to get in here tonight!!!!!1 |
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| JodiMuse |
Sorry, Mary. It's a busy night! |
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| Corrinne |
(done) |
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| JodiMuse |
Alright. Hatman? |
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| hatman |
Thanks. I'm new here. GOod stuff. Corrinne, how do you go about connecting with a co-writer.? |
| Corrinne |
I try to find out if we share any musical tastes, ie. what we were both influenced by musically, I find out as much about the songs they have written before meeting with them...(more) |
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| Corrinne |
I try to come prepared to the table with a couple of ideas, either music ideas or lyric ideas .. |
| Corrinne |
try to get to know them as a person by just doing some small talk.. |
| Corrinne |
whatever it takes for both of us to feel comfortable. |
| Nan |
? |
| Corrinne |
Sometimes, it's difficult still :) |
| hatman |
So, do you meet cowriters through a publisher, or what? |
| Corrinne |
I've met co-writers through ASCAP, through publishers, through friends, through watching a singer-songwriter at a performance and asking them if they co-write, through classmates |
| Corrinne |
(done) |
| hatman |
Thanks very much. |
| JodiMuse |
Popo? |
| popo |
Corrinne, I am new to the whole songwriting deal, what basic skills do you need to write music (not lyrics), what instruments can you play? DONE |
| Corrinne |
you're welcome:) |
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| Corrinne |
I play the piano, but recently took up a bit of guitar because I wanted to get beyond ballads LOL (more) |
| JodiMuse |
Ooo BOY do I know that problem, Corrinne. |
| Corrinne |
I found that by taking up the guitar, I was phrasing songs differently, trying new melodic and rhythmic ideas(more) |
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| Corrinne |
and I liked the fact that playing with the guitar inspired me to write more up-tempo songs |
| stinky |
wb |
| Corrinne |
I guess you need to keep an ear to the radio, and to your favourite music to get more into writing your own music (more) |
| popo |
did the writing skills just come along with learning the instruments? Done |
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| Corrinne |
I think it was the other way actually (more) |
| Corrinne |
I heard melodies in my head that I wanted to articulate with an instrument (more) |
| Corrinne |
It definitely helps to know how to play an instrument though.(more) |
| lizcurli |
? |
| Corrinne |
because sometimes, just by playing other people's songs, (more) |
| Corrinne |
you get inspired by the chord changes they chose, by the melodic ideas they had, by the melodic choices they made(made) |
| kk |
? |
| Corrinne |
in fact, a lot of what I did when I was young was to transcribe the music of my favourite musicians on the piano, to learn from them. |
| Corrinne |
(done |
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| popo |
Ya I hear those but I am learning the piano write now and I guess it will just take some more time before I can put it down on paper |
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| JodiMuse |
Just give it time, Popo. |
| JodiMuse |
Beth, you're up? |
| Corrinne |
Use a tape recorder to put down those ideas :) |
| popo |
thank you for the great answer |
| JodiMuse |
VERY good idea. |
| popo |
answers |
| Corrinne |
you're welcome. I hope it helps |
| Beth |
she answered my question on the last one, Jodi.... |
| TIMO |
Not yet. |
| JodiMuse |
Oh! :-) Ok, Beth. Why don't we move on to Nan then? |
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| Corrinne |
done :) |
| lizcurli |
How do I get people to take me seriously? |
| Corrinne |
Hmm? |
| JodiMuse |
Liz, you're after Nan, ok? |
| lizcurli |
sorry |
| JodiMuse |
No problem. Just waiting for Nan... You out there? |
| Mary |
? |
| LisaB |
? |
| stinky |
? |
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| SAGE |
ENCORE |
| JodiMuse |
Oops. I guess you ARE up, Liz... |
| JodiMuse |
I'll fit Nan back in whenever she makes it back. |
| JodiMuse |
What do you mean by "take you seriously" though? |
| lizcurli |
How do I get people to take me seriously? |
| Corrinne |
You mean take your music seriously, or take you as a person pitching your music, or being a musician seriously? |
| SAGE |
theres something happening here....... |
| lizcurli |
I mean taking my pitches seriously |
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| Corrinne |
What has your experience been so far with pitching you music? |
| lizcurli |
I'm a beginner |
| Corrinne |
Well, my experience has been that if I am serious in my attitude, in pitching my music, if I have my songs crafted to a point where I know that they are the best that they can be (more) |
| Corrinne |
if I am playing my songs for the right people, ie people who understand what a good song is ,(more) |
| Corrinne |
I find that in that case, people will take me seriously. Also, know who your audience is for your pitch. |
| Corrinne |
I'm not going to pitch a heavy metal song to a children's publisher, for instance :) |
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| Corrinne |
does that answer your question? |
| lizcurli |
Thanx. So where do you recommend I pitch a song like R&B?POP |
| SAGE |
people want to hear music that makes their soul shine |
| Corrinne |
that's a good one sage. |
| Kenna |
? |
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| lizcurli |
that's true sage |
| Corrinne |
that's a tough question (more) |
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| Corrinne |
perhaps there is an artist that you have written the song for, then (more) |
| Corrinne |
if that is the case, perhaps you could find a way to get the artiste to listen to that song..although it gets increasingly harder, because you'll have to find an "in" |
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| Corrinne |
maybe you know someone who know's the porducer of the artist (more) |
| Corrinne |
I mean "producer" |
| lizcurli |
that's ok |
| Corrinne |
or perhaps you know a singer who is looking for songs (more |
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| lizcurli |
Basically, get my foot in anyway I can |
| Corrinne |
or maybe you could check up the list of publishers in the industry guide to publishers and find a publisher who accepts unsolicited material. |
| Cupid1D |
Hi All |
| Corrinne |
i guess. But always be careful with any contract that you may sign. and copyright your material |
| Corrinne |
with the copyright office if you ca |
| Corrinne |
can |
| lizcurli |
Where can i find the office? |
| stephenb |
copyrights are running 3 to 8 months for returns... so be patient |
| Corrinne |
The Library of Congress division of copyrights has a website too. does anyone know the address? |
| Kenna |
one sec |
| lizcurli |
alrighty |
| JodiMuse |
Oh - The COPYRIGHT office. They have a url... |
| Cupid1D |
yes it's www.loc.gov |
| Kenna |
www.loc.gov/copyright |
| hatman |
www.loc.gov/copyright |
| Kenna |
beat you hatman...hehe |
| danNsara |
lol |
| Corrinne |
:) |
| stephenb |
http://Icweb.loc.gov/copyright/forms/ |
| Cupid1D |
beat ya both LOL! |
| Corrinne |
done |
| lizcurli |
thanx guyys |
| JodiMuse |
(laugh) Ok. There's the url. That's where you need to apply, Liz. They have tons of info there. There's also a new service out there that will file it for you - but it does cost money. |
| TIMO |
Liz try the "Songwriters Market", check at your local bookstore. |
| lizcurli |
I know it cost $, just testing you |
| Kenna |
especially sorry Liz |
| JodiMuse |
No problem, Kenna. KK? You're up. |
| TIMO |
? |
| kk |
Corrinne, do you work with a lot of cor-writers at the same time? |
| Corrinne |
Define a lot :) Usually 1-3. |
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| Corrinne |
done |
| kk |
More than 1. i guess I just assumed you found 1 or 2 people who you work really well with and stick with them over time. But that's probably hard to find such a strong match, huh? |
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| SAGE |
many appear to have lost their strings |
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| Corrinne |
I've found two so far that I really like working with. I'm currently "trying-out" two more :) |
| lizcurli |
try me out |
| kk |
That's interesting how it works. |
| TIMO |
lizcurli you are not bashfull :-) |
| JodiMuse |
lol Well, I guess that's another way you get noticed... ;-) |
| lizcurli |
that's true timo |
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| Corrinne |
I usually like to meet or know the person's songs before I can co-write with them. so maybe someday when I get to meet you and hear your songs liz, we could start co-writing |
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| Corrinne |
I also usually prefer to write songs alone and have only recently branched out (more) |
| Corrinne |
into co-writing. Not all co-writing relationships work out. Some can be very awkward :) |
| Corrinne |
(done) |
| JodiMuse |
Thanks for that, Corrinne. Mary? |
| Mary |
Thanks, Jodi. |
| Mary |
Corrinne, I have a question concerning different demographic groups and what they are looking for musically.... |
| Corrinne |
o.k |
| Mary |
Although I haven't really researched this topic in great detail yet.... |
| Mary |
My understanding, after scratching the surface, is that there seems to be .... |
| Mary |
a certain amount of uncertainty regarding what the 35+ age group is looking for right now, for instance (MORE) |
| Mary |
As well, I'm really unsure as to how to provide "inspirational" music to the under 35 age categories, i.e., what genre(s) might inspire them these days. |
| Mary |
Done |
| Corrinne |
Are you talking about inspirational as in Christian music/spiritual music or instrumental/new age? |
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| Beth |
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| Mary |
Well, I write a wide variety of music, including spiritual, but perhaps not to a large extent... not new age, though. (More) |
| Mary |
I was thinking more in terms of, say, can folk music vs., say, gothic or contemporary inspire the under-35 age category these days. |
| Corrinne |
And you want to reach the under 35 market because you have the impression that they are more into pop and not much into spiritual music? |
| lizcurli |
target |
| Corrinne |
oops. should have read the full question first :).. wait.. |
| Mary |
My reason for wanting to enter the music industry is, simply put, to inspire (more) |
| Mary |
I know that I need to research this topic, obviously, and that I also need to stay true to myself, (more) |
| Mary |
I.E., I need to produce music that I love, irrespective of what an audience might be looking for (more) |
| Mary |
But if I AM to inspire the under-35 age groups, I need to get a real feel for what types of music can inspire them... |
| Kenna |
night all. see u on the boards and next week! Thanks for being a great Guest Corrinne, please come back and chat with us anytime!! |
| Mary |
and having grown up with Motown, Carole King, the San Francisco sound, etc. (more) |
| Mary |
I am probably inspired very differently from the younger genreation today. |
| Mary |
Bye, Kenna. |
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| samsamba |
Bye C |
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| Corrinne |
Hmm.. let me think... Bye everyone who's leaving :) .... |
| Mary |
Done. |
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| kk |
I've got to go too. Thanks, Corrinne, for some really helpful advice |
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| JodiMuse |
Bye guys. |
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| Corrinne |
you're welcome. |
| JodiMuse |
Those who are going... |
| Cupid1D |
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| Mary |
Actually, maybe I should be more specific.... |
| Corrinne |
I suppose you have to make the music that inspires you first before you can inspire anyone else. (more) |
| Corrinne |
yes? |
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| Mary |
can one inspire the "younger" generation today with Carole King-type music, or does it have to have a "darker" feel to it? |
| SAGE |
spoken true |
| Corrinne |
I know about wanting to reach the under 35 market, ie, the teens the young adults.. |
| Corrinne |
(more) |
| Corrinne |
that's where a lot of people are trying to reach nowadays perhaps because there's so much of a market to reach |
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| Corrinne |
(more) |
| lizcurli |
Thanks for the advice, keep on making music, bye Corrine |
| JodiMuse |
Bye Liz. Thanks for coming. |
| AprilDawn |
I'm gonna go too. |
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| AprilDawn |
Night everyone! |
| JodiMuse |
Night! |
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| SAGE |
good to meet you |
| Corrinne |
but I think you have to find your market first, ie. do whatever you can to let your music reach people first.. |
| Corrinne |
:) |
| Mary |
Okay, Corrinne, we are of the same mindset. I'll keep researching and hopefully will (more) |
| JodiMuse |
Anyway... Mary... Might be a bit of a large question for this sort of a forum... I think that's definite a research topic all its own. |
| Mary |
find a way to connect with what people are looking for. Thank you. |
| Mary |
done. |
| JodiMuse |
Lisa, you're up? |
| LisaB |
If it's not too personal - what is happening with your tonos co-written song? By the way, congrats on it. |
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| Corrinne |
Thanks! well, so far I've met Carole Bayer Sager a couple of times to try co-writing and I believe she's trying to get the song "If You Didn't Love Me" placed. |
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| Corrinne |
To Mary... .,. I just wanted to say, keep making the music that inspires you. then find the people who love your music. |
| LisaB |
Best of luck with it - though with her on board, you don't need luck. She is the best. |
| Mary |
Thanks, Corrinne, will keep that in mind. (done) |
| Corrinne |
thanks :) |
| JodiMuse |
Stinky? You still around? |
| stinky |
yep |
| JodiMuse |
I just love typing out that name. (chuckle) |
| Corrinne |
lol |
| JodiMuse |
You're up. ;-) |
| Cupid1D |
LOL! |
| LisaB |
lol |
| stinky |
I have a Tonos question too |
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| stinky |
I was wondereing how well that works with someone who writes but doesn't play |
| stinky |
I wouldn't want to share writeing credit with five or six people, know what I mean? |
| SAGE |
waves |
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| Corrinne |
I know what you mean. Sometimes, I want to be the only credit for a song. But co-writing has it's benefits too. You get more people working the song :) |
| Corrinne |
and more ideas |
| Corrinne |
done. |
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| Corrinne |
does that answer your question? |
| stinky |
so it's not that great for non playing writers is the way I took that |
| stinky |
or would you you reccomend it? |
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| JodiMuse |
It depends, Stinky. Sometimes in order to get to the next level, you need to place a song. If you need to share credit in order to get that song placed... I suppose it could be worth it. |
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| Corrinne |
by non-playing writers do you mean writers that don't play an instrument? |
| stinky |
yep |
| stinky |
so on Tonos that is rather limiting it seems |
| Corrinne |
so you have the song in your head but need someone to record it? |
| stinky |
Oh I can do that, with those that do play, I just wondered about tonos specifically |
| stinky |
and I don't have to share credit with others |
| stinky |
I'm talking Tonos specifacly |
| JodiMuse |
Are you getting songs placed, Stinky? If you are, maybe that isn't the route for you. |
| Corrinne |
I'm not sure I really understand the question, are you talking about the contract that tonos gets writers to agree to before they submit a song? |
| stinky |
I was actually wondereing if I could get more or less free work tapes out of it, and maybe write on other folks songs just for fun now and then |
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| LisaB |
? |
| Corrinne |
i know that tonos has a tool on their site for finding collaborators |
| Corrinne |
(done) |
| stinky |
well thanks for trying, I probably didn't do a good job of asking my question |
| JodiMuse |
Actually, this sounds like a question you might want to specifically ask Tonos. If you're concerned about their contract, specifically. |
| Corrinne |
well stinky, I guess (more) |
| stinky |
I though maybe she had tried starting a project or two, or knew of those who don't play starting projects |
| Corrinne |
if you're asking specifically about the pre-recorded tracks that you have to write a song to (more) |
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| Corrinne |
I guess you can look at it this way...without the pre-recorded tracks, you would not be "inspired" to write your song, therfore, the credit should be shared. I mean there are a lot of writers out there who are just signed to publishing deals because they can produce good tracks. They (more) |
| Corrinne |
are "track writers" and they share in the writing credit for the song (more) |
| Corrinne |
even if they did not come up with the melody and lyrics |
| Corrinne |
depends on the contract you are workin within. |
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| Corrinne |
done |
| stinky |
okay that did help, thanks Corrinne. it would be kinda hard for me to start a project there I guess |
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| JodiMuse |
It may not be for everyone. |
| stinky |
thanks, hit the next question, I've took enough time, thanks |
| JodiMuse |
lol No problem, stinky. (I still love typing that name....) TIMO, you're up. |
| TIMO |
What about contests that ask for entery fees persong? Are they ligit? Or just making money from submitters? Can you tell the difference? |
| JodiMuse |
Ooo. GOOD question. |
| Cupid1D |
the gloves are off now LOL! |
| JodiMuse |
lol |
| Corrinne |
If I were thinking of entering a song contest, I would check their track record, to see what previous winners have accomplished, check and see wha prizes they are offering, what type of sponsors they have, what exactly is their entry fee compared with a similar contest, and then compare all these and take it from there. |
| TIMO |
WOW! Great answer. |
| Corrinne |
some of these song contests listed in magazines etc. look really scary! |
| danNsara |
yes, very good answer Corrinne |
| danNsara |
Sara and I have been judges in a few contests and there are definite costs |
| Corrinne |
i mean, you have to read the fine print really carefully sometimes to make sure you are not signing away your life by joining one of these contests |
| danNsara |
paying the judges to evaluate songs |
| danNsara |
logging the entries |
| danNsara |
it just depends on the contest and their track record |
| Corrinne |
yup. |
| TIMO |
Thank You! |
| Corrinne |
you're welcome :) |
| JodiMuse |
And every one has a different purpose. Some focus on criques - some on placing the songs they like - some on getting you writing with other talented folks... and some, of course, giving you money. It depends on the contest. |
| JodiMuse |
Sorry - that's CRITIQUES. |
| danNsara |
and some even focus on taking your money :-) |
| JodiMuse |
(laugh!) Yup. |
| TIMO |
It costs enough trying to write the song I guess I ... |
| Corrinne |
It is pretty painful on the pocket nowadays to join a contest :) $40 or something like that per entry for some!! |
| TIMO |
just don't want to be lead down a bad path. |
| JodiMuse |
Understandable, TIMO. You really do need to be careful. |
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| JodiMuse |
So how about the next question? Beth? You ready? |
| TIMO |
Careful but bold, or no one will hear my music. |
| JodiMuse |
Very true, TIMO. |
| JodiMuse |
Beth? Still here? |
| Beth |
Corrinne, since you write a lot without a co-writer, do you write your melodies first and then think of ideas for the lyrics |
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| Beth |
sorry, Jodi, my computer got stuck.... |
| JodiMuse |
No problem, Beth. |
| Corrinne |
a lot of the time I do write the melody first, then the lyrics. but sometimes, I get the idea for the lyric first and that inspires the music. |
| frank |
Hello people |
| JodiMuse |
Hi Frank. We have a guest speaker tonight. If you have a question, type a "?" and I'll let you know when to go ahead, ok? |
| Corrinne |
for example "same side of the moon" which you can hear from my web-site. I wrote that with the lyrics first. |
| frank |
ok |
| Beth |
which is easier to write first... |
| Corrinne |
done :) |
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| Corrinne |
It varies on the song, but usually for me, the melody is easier to come up with. |
| Corrinne |
done |
| JodiMuse |
Cupid, what's your question? |
| Cupid1D |
huh wa oh it's me right well.. |
| JodiMuse |
Yup. :) |
| TIMO |
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| Cupid1D |
I was wondering what your chosen method of dealing with writers block was. I tend to write best when things are perhaps less than optimal...more |
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| Cupid1D |
and right now I'm so damndably happy I can't seem to write |
| Corrinne |
lol :) |
| JodiMuse |
lol I know about that problem, Cupid. |
| Corrinne |
I try to look back at my journal entries to get some ideas, or to do some object writing, (more) |
| Cupid1D |
I'm happily married, my job no longer bites, the weather has been great...it's bloody awful I tell ya |
| Corrinne |
or talk a walk, or read my "how to write lyrics" books! :) |
| Corrinne |
or check my thesauras or rhyming dictionary for ideas |
| Cupid1D |
now there's a thought |
| Corrinne |
and sometimes, I still get stuck! then I let the idea perhaps simmer for a while. |
| Corrinne |
ask a couple of fellow songwriters for feedback... |
| Cupid1D |
I've tried the walking which is my ol' stand by. At this point the dog runs and hides when the leash comes out so I've been walking alone |
| JodiMuse |
Just so you know, Cupid, there's a question about Writer's Block at the songwriting survey on The Muse's Muse - www.musesmuse.com/survey.html . Might help give you some ideas too. |
| Cupid1D |
poor littlr guy limping on one leg and favouring the other three |
| Corrinne |
or perhaps if I am REALLY stuck , as I was with a song recently, I'll pass it to a fellow co-writer to see what he/she comes up with |
| Cupid1D |
thanx jodi I'll check it out and thank you Corrine you've given me a number of great ideas |
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| JodiMuse |
We have one more question folks, and then I think we're over for this session... LisaB? This is it... :-) You get to close us out. |
| Cupid1D |
I tend to write solo, co writes have been a less than fruitful avenue with me. |
| Corrinne |
great :) |
| LisaB |
Corrinne - I am being courted by a songplugger - how can I tell if the person is a songshark or not? They are a member of ASCAP and the Better Business Bureau has no complaints. What else can I do to find out about the person just short of hiring a private eye? Also I'm in NY and this person is in Nashville so we haven't met but have spoken on the phone. : ) |
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| JodiMuse |
Hey Poet. Welcome back. We're just about ending here. Lisa's asking the last question. Actually, I wonder if Danny & Sara might be able to help with that one too? |
| Corrinne |
Ask them for their credentials, ie. who have they successfully published, ask fellow songwriters if they have heard of this publisher...... |
| Corrinne |
anyone else have ideas? |
| danNsara |
yes, who is it |
| danNsara |
we know most of the pluggers in town |
| ThePoet |
Thanks Jodi Needed a break |
| Cupid1D |
Find out who else the represent and get feed back from that person |
| stinky |
NSAI has a list of pluggers they aprove of I believe |
| danNsara |
I'd suggest checking to see what he's published or his company has |
| LisaB |
Thanks stinky and Dand and sara - I asked him what he has publ. and he said he almost had a Bette Midler song publ. |
| danNsara |
lol |
| Cupid1D |
LOL! |
| JodiMuse |
lol ALMOST don't cut it, Lisa. |
| Corrinne |
:) |
| LisaB |
Almost doesnt count! |
| danNsara |
I could tell you about 100 almosts we have too |
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| ThePoet |
I do love the almosts in this world LOL |
| gstr8 |
good song though |
| LisaB |
He is asking 200 a month from me too |
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| Corrinne |
what?!!!! |
| Cupid1D |
yes and I almost had a song on a Rod Stewart disc last year |
| danNsara |
sorry, Lisa...I say no |
| ThePoet |
200 a month for what?? |
| LisaB |
Thanx |
| JodiMuse |
He wants money from you? Why? |
| danNsara |
for $200 a month, there are several established pluggers you could get |
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| LisaB |
Like who? |
| ThePoet |
Like why? |
| danNsara |
ASCAP also maintains a list of independent pluggers |
| gstr8 |
Sounds like YOU are the only thing he wants to plug...lol..sorry |
| danNsara |
just because someone charges you money doesn't mean they can do anything with your songs |
| JodiMuse |
Uh... gstr8... Not really appropriate. ;-) |
| LisaB |
lol |
| gstr8 |
sorry..it was there... |
| danNsara |
A good independent plugger is difficult to get |
| JodiMuse |
(laugh) |
| danNsara |
because they don't want just any songs |
| ThePoet |
? |
| TIMO |
If my music does not stand alone... It is not good enough... Plugger or no plugger. |
| gstr8 |
Amen |
| danNsara |
last note on this....some well established indie pluggers are: Sherrill Blackman, Shar'n Clark, Mark Meckel |
| Cupid1D |
Amen timo |
| JodiMuse |
Sorry, Poet. We're just ending off here... We've already kept Corrinne for over 2 hours. And by the way - Sherrill was a previous chat guest. Have a look at the log - http://www.musesmuse.com/chatlogs.html |
| LisaB |
Hey - I've been e-mailing Sherrill! he is the best |
| danNsara |
Yes, Lisa, he's an excellent plugger |
| ThePoet |
Thanks Jodi The question wasn't for Corrinne but for the group |
| LisaB |
Thanks guys for the help |
| JodiMuse |
March 27th, 2000 was when that chat log was... Sorry, Poet. If it's just for the group, ask away and I'll close out the log now. Thanks so much for being here, Corrinne! You were a great guest. |
| danNsara |
Corrinne, thanks for joining us tonight :-) |
| LisaB |
Thanks Corrinne - great chat |
| ThePoet |
Corrinne thanks for your time |
| Cupid1D |
thank Corrinne Peace |
| gemini |
Thanks corinne |
| Corrinne |
You're welcome! It's been great chatting. I'm out of here :) |
| Beth |
thanks corrinne for the thorough answers...it was a great help..... |
| Mary |
Thanks, Corrinne, for lending us your time and knowledge! |
| JodiMuse |
Take care! |
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