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A Log of our sixth Guest Speakers in the Songwriting Lounge - April 5, 1999
with L.A. Songwriter, Producer & Speaker, Jai Josefs, Author of Writing Music for Hit Songs.

A short bio:
Songwriter/Arranger/Producer/Musician earning his living entirely in the music business for over twenty years. Credits include Jose Feliciano, Little Richard, Bonnie Bramlett and many others. Has written songs for MCA, RCA, Motown, Disney, and numerous TV shows and movies including the Michael J. Fox sitcom "Spin City" and Edward James Olmos' recent film Roosters. Author of Writing Music for Hit Songs, the definitive book on contemporary melodies, chord progressions and grooves published by Simon & Schuster and endorsed by hit writers including Diane Warren and Michael Omartian. Has taught classes in songwriting for UCLA, The National Academy of Songwriters, and Nashville Songwriters Association International. Has given seminars for dozens of songwriter organizations throughout the U. S. and Canada. Versatile composer/lyricist who has collaborated with eight different top-ten hit writers, contributed to over twenty-five CD's, and written instrumental music for many film and video projects.

This chat was a *lot* of fun. Jai has a great sense of humour and he's also very knowledgeable about his craft. I think we had more people than usual showing up to this one so things sometimes get a bit confusing, but all in all, it went very well. As usual, I'm not editing or correcting typos or anything like that. What you see is what you get. It will definitely give you a feel for the gathering though. I hope you get as much pleasure out of reading it as we all did being involved. :-)


-- Log on jai.log started at Mon Apr 05 17:41:50 PDT 1999

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JodiMuse Hi there, Masha. Welcome. :-)
masha Hi..welcome to you, too. Are you the moderator?
JodiMuse One of them. Glad you could make it. No one else is here just yet, but they'll be coming soon. Is this your first time at the Songwriting Lounge?
masha Yes it is. Looking forward to it.
JodiMuse They're a fun bunch around here. Happy to have you join us. :-)
JodiMuse So what sort of songs do you write? What interested you in coming here?
masha I've been writing for about a year. I write lyrics and am working with some friends on melodies. I've completed one and have had it produced. It is country, in a way...or maybe sort of pop. I heard about this thru Jeff Mallett's site.
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JodiMuse Ah... Yes. Jeff's is a truly fantastic site. He's also one of the moderators here. :-) Hi shewfly! Glad you could join us!
shewfly Type HERE thanhs .glad to be here
shewfly oops sorry
JodiMuse No problem. :-) Takes a bit to get used to.
masha I'm feeling better already!
JodiMuse We have a guest speaker coming by tonight. It should be a wonderful chat. And I'm glad to hear that, masha!
JodiMuse This isn't your first time here, right shewfly?
shewfly No it isn't.
masha Actually, I'm just realizing my name is a typo..Marsha
JodiMuse What sorts of songs do you write, shewfly? Masha says she? (not sure?) writes country/pop . How about you?
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JodiMuse Hi there, Jai. Welcome. :-) Marsha, shewfly, this is our guest for the evening.
shewfly Country is my preference.
masha Hello Jai, nice to meet you.
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shewfly Hi Jai.
JodiMuse Oops. I think he's having trouble.s...
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JodiMuse Is it working ok now, Jai?
Jai Ah, I think I'm on now...
JodiMuse Yup. You are indeed. Welcome. :-)
Jai Thanks.. Please bear with me I'm a v e r y slow typist....
JodiMuse<--smiles. No problem. Take your time.
masha Jai, stress is not good for you. You should bring a friend to type!
JodiMuse We're patient folks though, right? :-) Don't worry about it, Jai. Things are really casual here.
Jai I tried but she got a gig at the last minute... That's show biz....
JodiMuse Hey - you gotta go where you gotta go. Good for her!
Jai So....how can I be of service tonite?
JodiMuse Well, the chat hasn't really started just yet but I suppose since it's 9pm, if either shewfly or Marsha have a question, they're welcome to ask it. Sound ok, Jai?
Jai Shoot......
JodiMuse Have either of you have a look at Jai's bio?
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JodiMuse Hi Jeff!
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JeffM Hi Jodi, Hi Neon
shewfly Do you have a topic you wish to discuss?
neonralph Good evening, everyone!
JodiMuse And Ralph. Here we go. Guys, Jeff and Ralph are both also moderators. We're now just waiting for Danny & Sara to arrive.
neonralph Yo JM!
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danNsara Hi everyone!
JodiMuse<--chuckles. No particular topic in mind, though Jai's expertise seems to be very broad in nature. Jai? Anything you want to talk about?
JodiMuse Hi Danny & Sara! Good to see you. And Paul. Good to see you too. :-)
PaulMarkSanders yo
JodiMuse Guys? Since you know Jai best, would you care to moderate?
Jai Well my field of expertise is music..melody, chords,groove etc. but I'm wide open...
shewfly Hi Danny and Sara .
danNsara Sure we'd be glad to
danNsara he shewfly
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danNsara Maybe we should start with a brief bio...I'll say a few words and then I'll let Jai fill in the blanks.
danNsara Then we can start with some questions or topics
danNsara Well, we're really glad that Jai could join us here tonight
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shewfly ?
Jai Glad to be here...
JodiMuse<--sighs. Sorry about that folks.
danNsara Jai of course is well known for his book "Writing Music For Hit Songs"
danNsara In addition, he teaches music/theory classes in Los Angeles
danNsara and gives seminars all across the country
danNsara But in addition to being a well-known teacher, Jai is also a professional songwriter
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danNsara having scored several album cuts as well as tracks in movies
danNsara Of course my favorite is the Louise Hay track you did
danNsara Jai, would you care to fill in a little of the blanks
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danNsara whoops
PaulMarkSanders lol
JeffM bye Jai :-)
danNsara maybe I should have given him a better intro
danNsara I ran him off
danNsara In any case, Jai does have some workshops coming up that he wanted us to announce
danNsara So I'll do that while he's getting back on
JodiMuse :-) He'll be back.
danNsara In April, the "Jai Tour" will be at
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danNsara Nashville, Virginia, Charlotte
danNsara May in San Diego and June in San Fran.
JodiMuse I should note, folks, that if you don't do anything for over 10 minutes, the system assumes you're idle and disconnects you. If you just type a letter to yourself in private chat, you can prevent this. Make sense?
PaulMarkSanders yep
danNsara He's also teaching an 8 week Music class starting in May in Los Angeles.
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danNsara For more info. on these, you can call 323-463-7178
danNsara welcome back Jai
JodiMuse Ahh. There he is. :-) Welcome back, Jai.
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danNsara We just finished announcing your upcoming seminars and class
Jai Hi sorry I got bounced off, but I made it back......
danNsara Great!
danNsara Would you care to fill in some of the blanks from my intro.
danNsara Then maybe you can tell us how you got started in the biz
Jai I would if I'd seen it all..but I got smoked partway through :(
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danNsara Ok...why don't we start with how you began in the biz
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Jai Ah..started in the Biz....well when I was 17 I decided the only things worth living for were sex, drugs and rock n'roll (it WAS the 70's) and when I turned 21 I realized I had to make a living at one of them, so.....
danNsara you chose ?
danNsara ahh music
JodiMuse Better than becoming a pusher. ;-)
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Jai it seemed the best way to stay out of jail (not to mention the most fun!)
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PhilGnCo Hi jodi... Thanx. I;'ll just listen for now.
danNsara So how did you make your living at rocknroll
JodiMuse Hi Morrison! If you have a question for our guest, just type a ? and one of the moderators will get to you, ok?
marsha If you had a song you had written, produced, and believed in, what would be your suggestions.
Jai Started playing lead guitar in bands..and some sessions & accompanying singer/songwriters
danNsara marsha, if you have a question for Jai, just type a ? and we'll get to it quickly
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neonralph Was this in LA, Jai?
JodiMuse Hey Bri! You made it. :-) Welcome to the Songwriting Lounge. Guys, this is Brian from Just Plain Folks.
Jai Nope, New England...
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JPFolks Hello everyone!
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JeffM Oh, I think we have quorum
danNsara So Jai, can you fill in the details from New England to LA
JPFolks good evening Jai!
Jai Hey Jp! Wow at the speed I type it would take till tomorrow....
JodiMuse Woah. Just to let all our newcomers know, right now Jai is telling us how he got into the biz. If you have a question when he's done, just type a ? and one of the moderators will tell you when to go ahead, ok?
becky Type HERE hi everyone
danNsara How about the highlights?
danNsara Then we'll take some questions
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JPFolks ?
Jai Basically I kept playing, got a gig in LA, got a chance to produce, discovered I LOVED producing,and started to write more. Then one day I got a bad hand injury & realized a musician was really a day laborer and I'd better switch to something I didn't n
Jai need my hands for & writing/producing was a logical choice
danNsara ok - JP - you'll get the first question
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ABriggs144 Oh yeah I finally made it in
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becky hi
JPFolks Jai, Nashville was always a songwriters bastion. One of the few music genres friendly to writers who weren't artists. Now with the big corporations eating it all up, where should a songwriter look next for opportunities?
IreneJ Hi all :-)
ABriggs144 Hi Jai, I'm so excited to meet you online
JodiMuse Ok everyone. Welcome to the Songwriting Lounge! Our guest tonight is Jai Josefs. He's just talking about how he got into the biz. When you have a question, just type a ? and someone will get to you, ok?
Lukah Hi everyone!
neonralph Hi Irene!
neonralph Hi Lukah!
MojoD ?
Jai You mean a non-artist writer?
IreneJ Hi Ralph :-)
JodiMuse Lots of our regulars showing up tonight. That's great. :-) Ok Mojo - First JP, then you, ok? But I don't think Jai is finished yet.
JPFolks Correct Jai
danNsara Ok MojoD you'll go next after Jai answers this question
JodiMuse<--laughs as her typing isn't fast enough to keep up. I'll shut up now. ;-)
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Jai Well there are several possibilities Nashville is still one (I go there 3-4 times a year), plus film & TV is an open market and if yoiu have music/production chops you can write WITH artists (like Glenn B and Alanis)
JodiMuse Just a word of warning, folks - if you're silent for too long, the system logs you off. So to keep that from hapening, just privately send a letter or two to yourself and the system won't kick you off. Make sense?
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JodiMuse Sorry to interrupt, Jai.
danNsara ok - Mojo next question
PaulMarkSanders get yer recorder back yet?
JPFolks okay Jodi! = )
PaulMarkSanders oops sorry
MojoD When does song selling wreck song writing? If you're main reason for writing is to sell a song are you still an artist?
PhilGnCo Thanx. I got your message JUST as I was being knocked off!
Jai Whew! hard to answer Everyone writes for their own reasons..some for love some for $$ (a little like marriage,eh?) Not my place to judge, but I do have my opinions..
ABriggs144 ?
Amy ?
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danNsara ok - Abriggs you can go next...then Amy
ABriggs144 Oh, I'm so excited
danNsara Jai you're wooing them at their keyboards
Jai :)
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ABriggs144 Jai, are you going to come to Nashville April 18th and hold a class?
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ABriggs144 The Sunday before Your Thursday Night NSAI teaching session?
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Jai I'm doing a talk for NSAI on the 22nd..the private class is tentative..I need to talk to UNo and I've lost his # Tell him to call if you can - I'd like to do it
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danNsara Amy, your turn...
Amy You said that Film and TV is an open market.....please elaborate and give ideas on how to break in to that scene.
Jai Where are you?
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Amy Nashburg!
ABriggs144 Is that the same Uno from the BMI songwriting workshops and songcamp 101??
JPFolks ?
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IreneJ Yeah, it seems slow...so what you been up to?
danNsara JP - you'll go after Amy
Jai Ah.. easier from Lost Angeles..it's like the "getting a cut" game only the players are music supervisors rather than A&R/managers.
IreneJ Oops...sorry :-)
Amy gotcha
JodiMuse No problem, Irene. :-)
danNsara Jai, for those who aren't familiar with the getting a cut game, could you be a little more specific?
Jai Well you probably could do it better given your recent JMM success :)
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JodiMuse Go for it, Danny&Sara!
danNsara thanks --
danNsara but you're the one they want to hear :)
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JodiMuse You're merely clarifying a point, guys. ;-)
Jai
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danNsara :)
danNsara ok - maybe it will come up along the way....JP got a question for Jai?
Jai well its about writing the song and making the demo and pitching it till you get it cut or die trying..
JPFolks Jai, you came out and played the Just Plain Folks showcase in LA, and I wondered, how often do you still get to perform just for the fun of it? Without it always being about business?
JPFolks Or are those days forever over?
Jai Well I never was much of a singer/performer, but I will sit in on lead guitar (or keys ) at the barest suggestion!
danNsara ?
marsha a? Talk about pitching it till you get it cut or die trying.
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Jai Its only since discovering writer nights in Nash. that I even dared to sing my stuff in public..
danNsara yes, if we can perform in public here, anyone can
Sherrie @
JPFolks hahaha
ABriggs144 Oh Thanks I'm so excited to sit in on this chat room. It is an honor.
Jai Marsha - you take it everywhere you can think of (and a few places you can't)
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danNsara very true...
danNsara sherrie did you have a question for Jai?
marsha a ? what do think about Taxi
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Sherrie Jai, I bought your book about a year ago and just wanted to say I thought it was great, very easy to understand. I bought it for my hubby who is classically trained but not composing yet. I'm just a lyricist myself
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Jai I am one of the screeners there (and no, I won't give you my # :) )so I'm prejudiced. Seriously I think its a Great organization but it won't get songs cut that aren't good enough
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Jai Thanks Sherrie
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Lisa ?
Sherrie That's interesting, Jai...how often would you say leads recommended by Taxi do make a cut?
marsha Thanks, I didn't know you were involved. I'm trying to find the best ways to spend the money.
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danNsara Lisa's up next with her question
Lisa I'm coming up against the "no unsolicited material" roadblock with record companies. How do I get around that - so many of the big ones don't want your songs unless you know an attorney or are published already.
Jai Hard to say exactly since I just screen, but they keep those stats
JodiMuse Just to mention, Lisa, there's an excellent article that you can reach through The Muse's Muse on just that subject by John Braheny.
Jai Well Taxi is one answer, otherwise just get it in any way you can..or be like Kris Kristofferson and buy a parachute..
mojoD ?
becky ?
danNsara mojo - go ahead with your question
mojoD Where do you think indies and the internet fit in the future?
danNsara then becky's next
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Jai You're out of my area of expertise there,mojo.. I just write 'em & go through more conventional channels. I've only been online 2 months!
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JodiMuse There's also an article all about Taxi on Just Plain folks at www.jpfolks.com in the Just Plain Opinion section if you're interested, guys.
danNsara Jodi -- you're so well read!
JodiMuse I'm getting hints. *giggle*
danNsara Becky -- got a question for Jai?
becky I don't play but Icreate my own melodys .I have a song that a publisher says needs redemoed It has been critiqed by a pro and Ihave 2SUGGESTIONS FROM CONTESTS WITH THESE CAN i GET A GOOD DEMO?
becky oops
Jai Don't fully understand your Q...
danNsara try again becky
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becky shoud i include all this in searching for a new demo
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Jai Does the song need a reWRITE ?
danNsara do you mean including all the suggestions in re-demoing it?
becky no just a demo
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Jai Who did your 1st one?
becky jon ims
marsha a? Is there more chance of success for the singer/songwriter? I am a lyracist and feel a little intimidated by all the talent.
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danNsara just to clarify -- I think you mean Jon Ims critiqued it and offered suggestions
becky no not the demo
danNsara and now you're thinking of demoing
becky sorry
Jai well its probably not poor demo then. Sounds like it does need a rewrite!
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becky redemoing yes
Jai Oh, John didn't do the demo?
becky no just temo changes
becky no
becky he gave suggestions
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danNsara becky, are you asking if you should re-demo, or are you asking where should you re-demo
jonefinn Type HEREi am a newcomer to the industry and am looking just to talk to someone about some ways to get started, and the bus. in general.
becky so should i give all the suggestions to whoever i choose to redemo it
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becky yes where
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Jai Of course, but make sure the demo doer is goooood at it!
mojoD ?
danNsara marsha, I believe you had a question for Jai...
Lisa ?
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danNsara Mojo's next then Lisa
mojoD Who is your favorite song writer and why?
becky i have a good vocalist just not good studio
marsha well, now I am thinking about Becky. I recently had a demo cut, and it was a great experience. All the way around, good talent, good creative input. Does she just need a better producer?
Jai Ive been enamoured with Don Henley for a long time cause he brings art & craft together so well. Also David Foster for music and Leonard Cohen for lyrics
danNsara I love David Foster and Don Henley
mojoD I'm listening to Leonard Cohen right now!!!!
Jai Cool, which tune?
ABriggs144 me too
mojoD Joan of Arc
JodiMuse I have to agree. David Foster was one of my early influences too. I even bought a particular digital piano just for the "bell - like" keyboard sound he uses... ;-)
Jai ahhhhhhh but they're all soooo good..
danNsara Lisa, you had a question for Jai?
ABriggs144 ?
Lisa I know this may be tricky - but can you suggest a good demo place. I don't do midi and don't really know any singers, musicians around where I live...
danNsara Abriggs, you'll go after Lisa
Jai God Jodi you must be young for DF to be an early influence :)
JodiMuse<---smirks. I'll never tell. ;-)
danNsara she's due to get her driver's license any day now
Jai Some places do demos by mail but I don't know them by quality Try NAS or NSAI for recommendation..
JodiMuse lol! No.... That comes next year. ;-)
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danNsara Yes, on that point, NSAI has a member packet which lists several demo studios
danNsara You can call and ask for sample tapes from the studios
danNsara ABriggs go ahead with your question
Lisa But isn't that just for country music, NSAI?
JPFolks there are a lot of good and bad services out there! Always check them out thoroughly!
ABriggs144 I'll pass, it's a stupid one
Jai Hey those are my favorite kind!
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danNsara well, several of the studios are in Nashville...but they do other styles also. You can check NAS for less country tunes
danNsara Are you sure Abriggs?
ABriggs144 How does one become like a Dianne Warren or David Foster?
Lisa Thanks guys
JodiMuse I think that's a pass, folks. Anyone else?
danNsara good question
JodiMuse Oops! Yup. Good question, A. :-)
ABriggs144 Thanks Danny :)
Jai Do what they did.. Analyze songs you love to figure out HOW the writers got them there. Then emulate till you develop your own voice.
JPFolks Relentless Hard Work! is the answer!
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danNsara good answers
mojoD ?
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danNsara Mojo go ahead
mojoD Do you have to become famous to become a great songwriter?
marsha Lisa , I had a great experience with a demo tape out out of Pflugerville, Tx. I don't know if we are supposed to mention people's names.
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Jai No sony works just as well (that was a joke)
JodiMuse Marsha, you can feel free to talk with Lisa about that in private. There's a way to do that here. It won't be logged in the chat. :-)
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Jai Seriously (semi) you have to become famous towrite bad songs and have them accepted..
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danNsara does someone else have a question for Jai?
danNsara Jai, how did you decide to write a book?
zeus ?
Jai Am I being too cute?
danNsara ok zeus, after Jai responds to this, you can ask yours
JodiMuse No such thing, Jai. ;-)
danNsara we can take a poll on our site later and see how you ranked on "cuteness"
JodiMuse I don't judge on "cuteness" until I see some pecs. ;-)
JeffM very cute
danNsara back to the book please ...this is a g-rated chat
Jai When Shiela Davis book got successful her company approached me about writing a companion volume on Music writing. When they actually offered me an advance....
JodiMuse ahem.
danNsara save jai's pecs for another night
JodiMuse :-)
danNsara I see...
danNsara Zeus, have a question?
zeus Jai, how does the explosion of music on the internet (mp3, etc.) affect the songwriter's market. Has it had an impact yet? Does the "industry" even pay attention to what's on line nowadays?
JodiMuse Ah. now _there's_ an interesting question.
Jai I mentioned earlier I don't know much in that area. I'm practically a cyber-virgin (oops, don't want to lose my "G" rating)
danNsara lol
JodiMuse MP3's are all the rage right now.
mojoD better than a cyber floozy
Jai Whats an MP3?
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danNsara That is a very good question. I can tell you that from the songwriter's standpoint, the industry is getting very involved and is very aware of it
danNsara If the group is interested, we can actually get an expert on the area to chat with the group on a different night
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JodiMuse I think that would be a great idea, guys. It's certainly a very timely topic.
JPFolks I must speak up. Billboard Magazine does not monitor or recognize ANY internet or web music sales!
zeus I'd be interested in that. It seems like an easier medium to reach audiencies...and without licking a ton of stamps!
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JPFolks and until they do, it will be hard for anyone to take Net sales seriously
danNsara unfortunately for songwriters, it's a scary issue since it takes money directly out of our pocket
danNsara somone else have a question for Jai?
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zeus ?
Lisa ?
danNsara go ahead Zeus, and then Lisa
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neonralph Hmmm...sounds like a good subject for songwriter website purveyors to team up on...perhaps together we can get Billboard's attention?
zeus Jai, I've been writing music for myself for years. I'm getting too old and settled to perform anymore, though. I'm interested in selling songs, but I don't really feel like changing my style to a more commercial style. Is there hope for me on the songwriter's market?
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marsha a?
Jai depends on what you write.. By the way a 40 year old won best grammies in 1998 so how old is too old?
jun Type HEREI'm a new person to this room .
zeus It ain't the years, it's the mileage, Jai.
danNsara Marsh, after Jai answers zeus and Lisa, you'll go
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Jai I can relate..
JodiMuse No problem, Jun. I'm typing to you privately by checking off the "Private Chat" box and highlighting your name. If you have a question, please type a ? and let one of the moderators get to you, ok? If you have any questions, feel free to privately page me. :-)
JodiMuse<---laughs as Jun dissapears and I end up typing that VERY publically. Sorry folks. :-/
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zeus Thanks for the chat, y'all. Gotta put my daughter to bed. G'night.
danNsara Lisa, go ahead with your question and then we'll get marsha's
Lisa Jai - can you tell us the story of how you got your first cut? Also, do you have a publishing deal?
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Mikey ?
Jai No to #2... and I'm trying to remember my 1st....
danNsara Mikey, you can go after Marsha
Jai Oh yes I co wrote it with a friend who got a deal....
Jai Actually its the same song Jose Feliciano later cut as well...
mojoD ?
Lisa"What was the song and who cut it, if I'm not being nosy....
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danNsara Marsha, do you want to ask Jai something?
danNsara then Mikey and then Mojo
marsha Jai, I have the perfectly produced, wonderful, can't miss country/pop demo. What are the first three things you would do?
Jai" Bridges of Love" Its been cut 5 or 6 times but Jose is the biggest name..
Jai Sign you to my publishing company /sign you to a management contract/ marry you :)
marsha thank you
danNsara a true and accurate answer
JPFolks hahahahaha
Jai Hey it worked for Mutt..
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JodiMuse<--laughs. Don't you think it might be nice to hear the song first? ;-)
danNsara but seriously....any other advice Jai
JeffM our first marriage proposal on the chat, folks!
marsha any time
JodiMuse It's documented. :-)
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JeffM ?
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danNsara Jeff, first Mikey then Mojo then you
Jai Well you need to test the waters. Play it for industry (starting with any friends in industry) and see what They think..
Mikey Sorry if this has been covered. I couldn't get on earlier. What has been the key to Diane Warren's success
danNsara excellent advice
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marsha thanks, Jai, any other advise short of the alter
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Jai What she told me was she just kept
marsha kept what?
JodiMuse Patience guys. He's working on it. ;-)
Jai That was answer to Mikey
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danNsara missed the 2nd half of the answer Jai
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Jai She (Diane) told me she just kept taking apart songs she loved tishe figured out what made them tick
Mikey Her melodies just kill me and her songs seem so personal yet kind of stark. They work though!
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danNsara also good advice
danNsara Mojo, go ahead...Jeff, you're after Mojo
JodiMuse Simple as that sounds, it's easily overlooked.
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Jai That's a LOT of what I do in my book (and seminars)
ABriggs144 ?
GirlSingr Type HERE Hi all!
danNsara I might add that Sara and I do that also in ours
marsha a?
danNsara it's a great learning tool
Mikey I'm done if Jeff would like to go ahead
danNsara I think Mojo's before Jeff
JeffM Oh, Mojo isn't here
Mikey Sorry
GirlSingr sorry to interrupt...hello Dan and Sara, I attended NSAI SongCamp 201 with you
danNsara ok Jeff
JeffM Ok...
danNsara then Abriggs and then Marsha...
JeffM This is regarding writing music for a song, specifically chord progressions...
GirlSingr ?
JeffM Do you ever find it hard to be original in chord progressions, i.e.
Jai Ah finally a Q in my area
JeffM either you've done it before, or that anything really fresh sounds a little of genre?
neonralph Good question, Jeff.
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JeffM [out of genre, I meant (too weird)]
Jai Yes there are so few chords and so MANY years of sonwriters who've used them From Stephen Foster on.. Try using more inversions, temporary modulations, etc. It will spice up what's available
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neonralph Good answer, Jai!
danNsara ABriggs go ahead...then we have Marsha and then Girlsinger
Lancer hello songwriters!
JeffM thanks, that's one thing I got from analyzing tunes myself is use of inversions and other non-root basslines
neonralph Folks, I have to get going. Thank you, Jai, for taking the time to join us here!
ABriggs144 Jai - No Pressure But Please consider to give a seminar in Nashville?
Jai good 4 you!
danNsara see ya neon
JeffM bye ralph
danNsara No begging in the chatroom please
neonralph Don't forget, the UNISONG 1999 International Song Contest kicks off May1, 1999. Go to www.unisong.com to sign up for the e-mail announcement!
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JeffM To ask a question type "?", to beg type "B"
JodiMuse Bye, Ralph! Take care.
JodiMuse lol
ABriggs144 Sorry
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danNsara lol
JeffM just kidding, abriggs
danNsara marsha, go ahead...Girlsinger you're on deck
marsha Ever written a song and thought a particular singer would be great? How'd you get it to them.
GirlSingr OK
Jai Mostly through A&R producer or manager... but once through her masseuse
Lancer ?
marsha I love it!!
danNsara Ok GirlSingr
danNsara then Lance
JPFolks Jai, I like you more all the time!
Jai Yeah but she didn't cut it :(
GirlSingr Sara...how is your staff writing going? and what does it entail?
danNsara but you did get a great massage
GirlSingr<---going to start hanging around massage parlors1
JodiMuse :-)
Jaithat's for a different chatroom
JodiMuse We want to keep our *G* rating, after all. ;-)
GirlSingr OK, sorry
danNsara Did you have a question for Jai Lancer
GirlSingr I'll just listen
Lancer Is it true more songs get "plugged" or "picked up" by smoozing than songpluggers?
JodiMuse Just kidding, GirlSingr.
GirlSingr LOL
JodiMuse I'd love to learn how to smooze. :-)
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Jai hard to say since songpluggers are kings (and queens) of schmoozing
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danNsara I thought Jodi was the queen of schmoozing
JeffM me too
JodiMuse<--blinks? Me?
JodiMuse I think I'd rather smooze. :-)
GirlSingr danand sara...it's great to talk to someone I've actually met! hah
danNsara or snooze even
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Lancer ok ok powersmooze then?
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GirlSingr did I do the private chat correctly yet?
JodiMuse Oooo! Even better!
Lisa ?
danNsara Lisa, go ahead
danNsara save us from ourselfves
danNsara and my typing
Lisa Jai - could you give us a hint on how to construct great bridges - I have trouble with those - espec. with going from verse to chorus and back again...
JodiMuse Ooo. VERY good question. I should have thought of that one. Thanks, Lisa!
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JeffM (especially those bridges of love)
Jai Do you mean bridge or prechorus?
Lisa I mean bridges, but also prechoruses if you can answer about both?
danNsara good question Lisa
Jai Well the key factor in each is contrast.. making the section stand out and stay fresh melodically AND harmonically
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marsha Goodnight ya'll. I think you are all great smoozers..ansd I'll send my stuf to TAXI and all the massueses in Nashville.
JeffM bye marsha
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Mikey Then if you've changed the "motif" of the song from verse to chorus, the bridge takes on a third "feel"?
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Lisa Thanks Jai -
Jai Exactly.. In the "old" days they used to call a bridge a "release" cause it releases you from the" rut" the song was starting to fall into
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danNsara we probably have time for a few more questions...then we should probably let Jai go
danNsara any more questions for Jai?
JodiMuse Yup. 11pm is usually our cut-off time.
Jai Yeah I haven't had dinner yet.... :)
JodiMuse Well, 11pm Eastern, that is.
JodiMuse eep! Thanks for doing this, Jai.
Mikey And I have a song to mix yet tonight. I've written another hit:-)
JodiMuse Yay! Good for you, Mikey!
danNsara any last questions for Jai?
Jai No I'm fine to hang 10 more mins. You guys are great!
Mikey Well, we'll see . . . (rolls eyes)
danNsara If not, maybe you could close with a few words of wisdom or encouragement
JodiMuse There is no Try . There is only Do. :-)
ABriggs144 Yes, thank you so much
JodiMuse Sorry. Just misquoted Star Wars VERY badly - but you get the idea.
Jai Yes. try to find the fine line between being too bullheaded to absorb and grow from criticism and too malleable to let everything evryone says about your songs blow you around
Mikey Amen
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danNsara and that's hard to do
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danNsara good advice
JeffM yes
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JodiMuse Ok guys. It looks like that's it for this evening. As much as I hate to do this, I'll have to just say, thank you VERY much for dropping by, Jai. Feel free to stop by again any time. :-) And thank you all for attending! It was great fun. :-)
danNsara Thanks for a great night Jai
JeffM Thanks, Jai!
JeffM Everybody buy his book
Jai Thank you all.. It was fun, hope I helped someone even a little...
Lisa Thanks Jai - good info.
JodiMuse Went by so quick I had to take a second lookat the clock. ;-)
Lukah Thanks Jai. It's been great!! (I already have his book ...)
danNsara that was subtle Jeff
JodiMuse lol
Mikey Yeah, it was great. Thanks so much Jai.
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ABriggs144 Yes Thank you Jai
Jai Your welcome! Use the info to write hits and remember me in your grammy speeches!
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ABriggs144 and Thank you Sara and Danny
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JodiMuse Of course, Jai!
ABriggs144 You all are a gift to the music industry and those aspiring
ABriggs144 bye
danNsara Abriggs, you need to get some sleep
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danNsara thanks though
JodiMuse :-) I think he/she went off to do that.
JPFolks Nice meeting all of you tonight! come visit us at jpfolks.com as well!
danNsara just in time
danNsara nice meeting you JPFolks
JodiMuse I'd love to if you weren't on AOL.
danNsara we'll be in touch
JodiMuse Oops! Sorry, Brian. I meant your CHAT. Your SITE isn't on AOL. :-)
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Jai Bye all......
danNsara Bye Jai
Wyoming Type HEREbye Jai
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