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A Log of our seventh Guest Speakers in the Songwriting Lounge - May 3, 1999
with NSAI Song Camp teacher & singer/songwriter Jon Ims.

A short bio:
Jon Ims is a singer/songwriter originally from Denver Colorado. He is the writer of "She's In Love With The Boy" recorded by Trisha Yearwood and was BMI's songwriter of the year for 1993. Jon also wrote the #1 song "Falling Out Of Love" recorded by Reba McEntire. He currently has the title cut on Confederate Railroad's new album, "The Big One". He is a faculty member of NSAI's Song Camp and a former Kerrville New Folk winner. Jon is currently working on writing and recording his own CD project.

Jon was kind enough to spend a great deal of time answering our questions - and as you'll be able to tell from the log, the questions were coming fast and furious. ;-) A lot of fun was had by all, as per usual. Thanks to all that made it possible!


-- Log on ims.log started at Mon May 03 17:47:57 PDT 1999

.Jon Hi There!
shewfly HI Jon
JodiMuse We're really glad to have you with us tonight! Is Danny with you now too?
BLUE Hi Jon
Jon Yep
JodiMuse Hi Danny! This is cool. Means I'll get to speak with Danny AND Sara - in two different places. *chuckle*
Jon Chuckle Too
JodiMuse :-) I do a lot of that *emoting* stuff. Helps to make things a little more... oh... relaxed, I guess. You get some of those visual clues even though this is just text.
Jon We're both :)
JodiMuse Yup! Incidentally, you just tell us when you have to be going, ok? We'll stop whenever you're ready to stop. I know you're a busy guy.
Jon Sushi tonight is busy?
JodiMuse Sushi? Ok. I'm jealous now. ;-)
shewfly lol
JodiMuse I really love sushi. There are some ok cheapo places around here for sushi that give you the *taste* of it... but not any places that are close enough (and inexpensive enough!) that are really good.
Jon I like my sushi deep fried.After all ,we live in the south.
JodiMuse FRIED sushi? Heathen! :-)
BLUE lol
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Jon I've never had heathen. Does it taste like chicken?
JodiMuse<--laughs and quits taking up our time talking about sushi (my mouth is starting to water and what good does that do us? ;-))
SweetConfetti hi everyone
JodiMuse Everything tastes like chicken. ;-)
JodiMuse Hi Sweet! Welcome!
SweetConfetti hi
SweetConfetti i'm new here...
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neonralph hey folks!
SweetConfetti hey
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JodiMuse Well, you picked a good night to be here, Sweet. Say hello to Jon Ims. Jon? This is Sweet. -)
JodiMuse Hey Ralph!
JodiMuse Ralph is another of our co-hosts, Jon.
BLUE greetings
JodiMuse And here's the other. :-) Hi Jeff!
JeffM Hello
SweetConfetti do alot of people usually come here?
neonralph Hey Jeff!
JodiMuse Well, it depends. We have a guest speaker tonight so I have a feeling it'll be pretty packed. In which case, when we get going, I do ask that you guys type a "?" before asking a question, and then let one of the moderators tell you when to go ahead, ok?
SweetConfetti ok
neonralph Hello Jon, and welcome to our chat. Thanks for joining us!
JeffM Hi Jon
Jon Great to be here in cyberspace.
JodiMuse This is so that I don't have to block people from talking or anything. Keeps it fairly casual.
SweetConfetti ok..
JodiMuse How do you like it so far, Jon?
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DavidPiano Hey all!
JeffM Hi DP
neonralph Hey DP!
Jon We haven't done anything yet.
DavidPiano See Jodi, I made it after all!
DavidPiano Lotta people I haven't met before. Hello Jon, Jeff, Ralph.
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DavidPiano Hello Phil.
JodiMuse You made it! Hi David!
JodiMuse For everyone else's benefit - David e-mailed me a question for Jon earlier, thinking he wouldn't be here to ask it.
JodiMuse Hi Phil! Good to see you again. :-)
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SweetConfetti Hey Phil
PhilGnCo Good evening all
JeffM Hi Phil, Buttons
DavidPiano Hello Buttons.
JodiMuse Welcome, Buttons..
Buttons Type HERE Hello everyone
PhilGnCo Hello Buttons
JodiMuse Ok guys. Are we ready? Jon? Would you like to give us a brief background of yourself so that people have a good idea of what they can ask you?
SweetConfetti Umm...I was just wondering,is there an age limit to be here?
DavidPiano LOL
DavidPiano No.
DavidPiano :-)
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DavidPiano<--- case in point.
JodiMuse Hi Sara! You made it. :-)
DavidPiano Hello RC and Sara.
RChapman Hello...
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Jon I started writing 25 years ago and haven't stopped. I'm getting tired.
Buttons"?"
Nsara Hi everyone, Hi Jon!
SweetConfetti oh ok...cause I'm probably the youngest here....
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JodiMuse No, there's no age limite at all, Sweet. We keep it pretty clean. ;-)
JodiMuse Hi RC.
DavidPiano Uh, probably not, SC
SweetConfetti ok
SweetConfetti no,really...I'm 13...
DavidPiano Whoa, so am I.
Jon You are?
JodiMuse Ok everyone. Jon's going to introduce himself here, and then we'll take questions.
DavidPiano This is scary.
DavidPiano :-)
SweetConfetti oh,cool
JodiMuse Yup. You'd never know it, Jon.
Jon I'm ready.Fire away.
JodiMuse Ok Buttons. Go for it.
Buttons I'm new to the songwriting business and I was wondering IfYou could give me some insight
Jon Into what?
JodiMuse Insight into what, Buttons? That's a bit broad...
Buttons on where to send my songs to
Buttons you know pitch them?
Jon Don't even worry about that yet. Concentrate on getting good enough for someone to be interested in them first.
JodiMuse Where do you live, Buttons? That might help Jon answer your question.
Buttons NY
Buttons Upstate
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DavidPiano Howdy Tex.
SweetConfetti Hey Tex
JodiMuse Good point, Jon.
Buttons Hi Tex
Jon I didn't get noticed until I was good enough.
PhilGnCo ?
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DavidPiano ?
Buttons But how do you know if you are good enough
DavidPiano Hello Terry.
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SweetConfetti Man...I have a million questions stored in the back of my mind,and I can't think of 1....
DavidPiano Odd form of writer's block there, SC
DavidPiano :-)
SweetConfetti i know...
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DavidPiano WB Blue.
Buttons"?"
Buttons How do you know if you are good enough?
RChapman Jon, how many songs did you write (about) before being published?
Jon You listen to the radio,and being brutally honest with yourself,and decide whether your songs truly belong there
DavidPiano Jodi - what's the line-up here?
JodiMuse Buttons, let's take another question for now, ok? We can get back to that one.
Buttons ok
tex"?"HERE
SweetConfetti I think I have a question,,,,let me re-word it though...
JodiMuse RChapman, the procedure is to type a "?" before being given the go ahead, ok? So Phil, you're up - then David.
PhilGnCo Jon, I just joined NSAI. Is their song critique a good place to start to find out if one has songwriting tallent?
DavidPiano Ok. . .
Jon Applying to their songwriting school is.
shewfly ?
SweetConfetti ?
DavidPiano Err, my turn? I'd hate to cut Phil or Jon off.
Jon I'm done.
SweetConfetti oh,I have to go,nice talkign to you all
JodiMuse Ok - After David is tex, then shewfly, then Sweet - then Buttons (Sorry Buttons! Just want to give those that haven't asked anything yet, a chance, ok?)
DavidPiano Bye SC
Buttons Bye Sweet
DavidPiano Nice meeting you.
JodiMuse Oh! Ok, Sweet. Bye!
JodiMuse So that's David, Tex, Shewfly, then Buttons.
Jon Now I can tell the truth,I'm thirteen too!
DavidPiano LOL
JodiMuse David, go ahead. I think Jon's done.
JodiMuse lol
PhilGnCo :)
DavidPiano Anyhoo. . .
DavidPiano Jon - is it easier or better to market songs with non-rhyming lyrics or rhyming lyrics and why?
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Buttons hi mojo
JeffM (To recap: Jon started writing songs when he was -12)
Jon Rhyming your lyric keeps the listeners attention and provides the glue that keeps the rythym of the song going.
blue ?
DavidPiano I know singer/songwriter groups that are established like Ben Folds Five and REM have non-rhyming lyrics, but do beginning songwriters (not in and of themselves artists) have that artistic control?
JodiMuse Order so far: After David, tex, shewfly, Buttons, then blue.
Jon In rock,non rhyming lyrics can work. However,in country music it's viewed as being amateurish
tex Jon, how did you first find a publisher?
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DavidPiano Hello Quelyn.
Jon I knew a lawyer in Denver,my home,who was negotiating a deal for Jill Sobule[Alt. Rock}
Buttons Hi Que
JodiMuse Hi Quelyn. :-) You know the drill. ;-)
Jon I made an apt with him,he liked my stuff,and sent it along to WB publishing.
Quelyn Hi all, yes.
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DavidPiano WB Terry.
Quelyn ?
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Buttons Hi Lisa
DavidPiano Hello Lisa.
Jon At the same time,as a result of pitching my songs at shows I was performing on,many groups began to cut my songs on indy labels. These came to the attention of other publishers in Nashville.
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DavidPiano ?
DavidPiano Hey Irene.
IreneJ Greetings all :-)
JodiMuse So it sort of snowballed?
Jon I'm done.
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Buttons ?
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Jon Yes, it did.
DavidPiano WB Mojo
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JodiMuse Ok shewfly, go for it. After shewfly is Buttons, then blue, then Quelyn, then David.
shewfly How is The Big One doing? I received a survey from Atlantic about new marketing strategys for CR .
tex"?"
Jon Tell me what it is.
Jon Dress them up like Union soldiers?
shewfly t v ada
shewfly tv ads
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Jon Go figure.Hope it works.I need to pay for sushi tonight.
DavidPiano Hey Bernie
JodiMuse Hi Bernie! Good to see you. :)
JodiMuse lol
mojoDallas ?
bernie good evening to all!
shewfly rofl we are rootin for ya!
IreneJ Hi Bernie
JodiMuse Ok Buttons. Go for it. Hi Irene!
Jon Are we gonna talk or just keep sayin hello?
DavidPiano I have never seen is this packed!
Buttons How can you tell when your stuff is good enough? I mean I feel it is, and so do a lot of other people
JodiMuse We're gonna do both, Jon. ;-)
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DavidPiano I feel like I'm on a subway after a TTC strike - packed wall-to-wall.
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JodiMuse But there's room for more, David. That's the difference. ;-)
JodiMuse That's a pretty hefty question, Buttons...
Jon I entered national songwriting contest and began to win them. Also,Denver and Boulder music awards. When you begin to stand out among your peers you'll feel it.
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DavidPiano LOL and no bumps between five stations.
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JodiMuse Oops. We lost blue... Oh! There you are.
Buttons ?
JodiMuse Ready to go, blue? Are you finished, Jon?
Jon Yes
neonralph ?
blue How do I get a professional critique? And should it be protected first?
JodiMuse Go for it, blue. :-)
Jon I give critiques through the mail and by appt. in my office.
IreneJ Jodi has trained us to be very polite Jon...we don't speak unless it's hello and ? :-)
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DavidPiano And we always bring bottles of wine with us. . .you never enter a stranger's house empty handed, right Irene?
Jon No one is going to steal your songs. I've never had th happen.
DavidPiano Hello Sierra.
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JodiMuse Ok - Quelyn, David, tex, mojoDallas, Buttons, then neonralph. :-) And hey! If you're bringing wine, I want some. ;-)
Jon Next
shewfly ?
DavidPiano Hello 711
Quelyn Coincidentally, I work at WB Pub. Who do you know there? Dale Bobo, Barbara Behler? Just curious.
Buttons hi 711
blue thanks
711711711 HELLO
DavidPiano Jodi - now you know why we always wind up drunk at the end of a chat.
Jon I've met Dale.
JodiMuse<--grins at Irene. You guys are so accomodating. ;-)
Sierra ?
bernie ?
JodiMuse Quelyn? Was that your question?
Quelyn yes
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JodiMuse Ok - David's a go then. :-) And after David, tex, mojoDallas, Buttons, neonralph, shewfly, Sierra and bernie. Phew.
DavidPiano OK. . .
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DavidPiano Two things kind of: 1 - What have you heard song-wise or artist-wise that has sounded fresh and innovative to you, Jon?
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JodiMuse David, we have a lot of people waiting. I'm going to ask you to keep it to one question at a time, ok?
DavidPiano OK. . .
DavidPiano That's fine Jodi. . .
DavidPiano :-)
IreneJ Well, I don't know if anyone can see me...I can't see you...
JodiMuse We can see you, Irene...
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Jon Believe it or not I've been listening to HOLE lately. I love the sound of the songs,the rythyms,the mixes. It's raw pop rock pretty cool
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DavidPiano Hey Billy.
neonralph Cool! :-)
BillyLee Hi all
JodiMuse Hi Billy. :-)
JodiMuse Anyone else that's maybe not so well known, Jon?
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Jon Most of the songs I like and hear are at live shows at the Bluebird in Nashville. The newest songs of my friends are what I'm into. Hugh Prestwood,Craig Wiseman,Gary Burr.
DavidPiano Ahh, OK.
JodiMuse Great! That'll give people some names to look out for. ;-)
Jon Al Anderson,Tony Arata,Alan Shamblin,Bob Dipeiro...
JodiMuse Tony I've heard of... Why have I heard that name..
Jon The Dance/Garth
JodiMuse Ah... That would be why. ;-)
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neonralph Al Anderson...formerly of NRBQ?
Jon Yep
JodiMuse Ready for another question, Jon?
Jon Yep
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tex How realistic are the folks at NSAI about song school participants? If we can get into that does that mean that with work we would likely have what it takes to be successful in the business?
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Jon Not necessarily. But if you get in ,they may feel you have workable potential.
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Victoria Thanks, Jodi.
Lisa ?
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tex Define workable potential, please.
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Jon A
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Jon The ability to make sense in an interesting way.
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Jon Just call me 007
Victoria ?
JodiMuse lol
TheWall812 Bond
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JodiMuse Ready for another one, Jon or are you still going?
Jon Shoot
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Buttons ?
JodiMuse mojo? Go ahead.
mojoDallas Thanks! A really good songwriter needs ............
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Jon A pencil
JodiMuse :-)
Pam Hi Jon - How long did it take to finally get a cut?
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Jon 20 years to the top
JodiMuse Pam, we have a pretty long waiting list of questions here. We'll get to you, ok?
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Pam Thanks
Jon Next
JodiMuse So what else does a really good songwriter need?
Jon Discipline/the ability to concentrate and re
Jon and rewrite/ and enjoy the toil
DavidPiano I'm gonna sign off guys. . .
JodiMuse Ok - Buttons, ralph, shewfly, Sierra, bernie, then Lisa, then Victoria. Guys, keep an eye on who you're next to and feel free to go when Jon indicates he's ready, ok?
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DavidPiano Very nice meeting you Jon
Buttons I write lyrics, and I have the melodies in my head but I can't write music, if I hire someone to do this for me are they considered co-writers?
JodiMuse Bye David!
DavidPiano Nice seeing the old friends, nice meeting the new ones. . .Jodi, Ralph, and Jeff - don't be strangers, eh?!
Jon He also needs to know his instrument and be as good at the music as he is with the lyric
DavidPiano Bye!!!
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JodiMuse Good point, Jon.
Jon To buttons. Yes,they are.
Buttons ok
tex Goodbye, everyone. Thanks for the insight, Jon.
Pam Hi Buttons - I also write create the tune but can't play any instruments.
711711711 ?
JodiMuse Bye tex! Thanks for dropping by.
Jon Why not. Get one and learn to play it.
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Buttons it is very frustrating, because I can hear it in my head
blue ?
Buttons lol
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Buttons ?
JodiMuse There's always a certain amount of interpretation, no matter how much you supply to the instrumentalist, guys. You can't claim they're doing nothing to help your song.
Jon What is stopping you from picking up an instrument?
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Jon I want to be a mechanic so I have to learn how to use a wrench.
Pam I agree, someone with music abilty is a great help!
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JodiMuse Ok - on to Ralph?
neonralph My partner and I administer the UNISONG International Song Contest. Earlier you mentioned your success in such contests and I'm wondering if you could comment about the benefits of winning such events.
Jon Shoot
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JodiMuse The biggie with UNISONG is you get to go to Australia if you're the grand prize winner. That's pretty darned cool in my books. *chuckle*
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Jon They gave me the confidence to realize that I was one of the best "wanna bees" in the country and to keep pushing
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Jon They are not an end in themselves. they're a stepping stone.
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neonralph So it was more of a personal advancement than one of recognition?
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Jon The industry doesn't care if you won the blah blah contest or not.
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Jon It might get you an appt. though
neonralph :-)
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Jon Next
shewfly When will your new cd be ready Jon? My tape is wearing out.
Jon Soon. I'm halfway through it
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shewfly Where can I get it?
Jon At my web site to be created soon
shewfly Thanks.
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Sierra Any tips for a singer/songwriter and new NSAI member's first trip to Nashville 5/26?
Jon Go to all the shows at the Bluebird wed thru sat. Also Douglas Corner. See how good everybody is first.Then go back to the motel and start writing
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Sierra I've almost got all of the material for my first CD done but I need to know about studios, players, etc. in Nashville
Jon Good luck. Finding out will be the begining of your education
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Sierra Thank you very much!
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JodiMuse Ready for another one, Jon?
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Jon Yep
Lisa What would be your top advice to songwriters in terms of writing really salable songs? Any advice about the relation of verse to chorus, hooks, prechoruses, etc. is welcome.
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BillyLee Cool!!
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BillyLee let me know when ya wanna come up...
BillyLee sorry
711 ??????????????????????????
Jon Have an interesting angle on a familiar topic of human interest.Write it clearly ,simply,and originally.Avoid cliches in both lyric and music.Develop a style....not just what you say.....but how you say it.
BillyLee Thanks all...Jon...c-ya
JodiMuse Bye Billy!
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Jon Next
JodiMuse Victoria?
Victoria Hi again Jon! This is Victoria Stewart from Charleston SC. Just to let you know, I'm coming to Nash the 1st week of June. I'm repeating Songcamp 101 with Marty Orwig because it was so good! For the rest of the days that I'll be there (besides scheduling another critque session with you), what would be a good way to use my time. (Appts. to make, people to see, etc.)
Jon Try for an appt at ascap or bmi.Then B-bird/Douglas at night and meet people
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Victoria Would it be a good idea to try and schedule a writer's night somewhere?
711 IM VERY STRONG MUSICALLY BUT VERY WEAK LYRICALLY WHAT IS THE BEST WAY TO FIND COWRITERS THAT YOU TRUST TO SHARE ALL OF YOUR BEST MATERIAL?
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Jon The industry doesn't go to writers nights.But potential co writers do
Victoria Good point! Thanks!
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JodiMuse 711, please turn off your caps lock, ok? It looks like you're shouting. :-)
Jon Nashville is full of new people. Come to where the industry is...it won't come to you
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Jon Next
blue Jon, what instrument do you play?
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Jon Piano/guitar
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Jon next
Lisa ?
JodiMuse Go ahead, Lisa.
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Lisa You just said come to where the industry is - where would that be? An example...
Pam ?
Jon Nashville Tn 615
JodiMuse It would depend on what kind of music you write, I should think Lisa.
PhilGnCo ?
Lisa Pop music mostly...
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Jon La has no songwriter scene left/Ny has a lttle for rock/pop but everybody's movin here
Jon Next
JodiMuse Even rock/pop/folk, Jon?
PaulMarkSanders ?
Wyoming ?
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Jon John Prine lives down the street/Lucinda/Nancy Griffith,Steve Winwood,Michael McDonald
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JodiMuse Got to admit that's a pretty good list. ;-)
Jon Next
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JodiMuse Pam? Go ahead.
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Pam Did you find it hard to continue to work a full time job while trying to break into the music industry when your first started?
Jon I always made a living as an entertainer/singer/songwriter/gigmeister.I've never had any other kind of job. I'm a lifer
Lancer ?
PaulMarkSanders what?
Pam Good decision, I sometimes wish I could see another way.
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Jon Next
Lancer Is the music business "laid back" in your opinion, I find it takes a day or two for people to return calls , those in the biz..
JodiMuse Lancer, we'll get to you, ok? There are a few people waiting.
Lancer sorry
Jon That because they are busy as hell.You're lucky they're calling you back
PaulMarkSanders Is The Big One based on a personal experience? :)
Jon Next
Jon My ex-girlfriends dad did the deed,yes
Jon Next
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JodiMuse Wyoming?
Wyoming Jon, How do you usually construct your songs? I find myself starting with a verse verse type of set up and then have difficulty putting in a lift.
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shewfly ?
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Jon Think of what you are going to say in an unfolding order,then organize the form around it leading up to but not giving away the chorus until you actually get in it. Then unfold the chorus in an order to prove/make your point
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Jon Second verse must develop the idea/not paraphrase the first
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Jon Bridge is optional/and can be used to give different angle or philisophical over view or pivotal point staement
LC ?
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Jon Next
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JodiMuse Go ahead, shewfly.
shewfly What is your opinion on starting a song with the hook or even the chorus as some do?
PhilGnCo ?
Jon Sometimes it works if it's sing a long catchy.It works as a device.
shewfly Thank you.
Jon Next
JodiMuse LC?
LC Is Nashville involved with all genres of music or just country these days?
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Jon Mostly country gospel and christian/but traveling singer songwriters live here and know each other too
Jon Next
PhilGnCo Jon, I recently presented a song at a local songwriting workshop and was told the chorus was too long, that is should be 1/2 size of verse. Is that true?
Jon Not always/but length is important/try to get to the point efficiently
PhilGnCo O.K. Thanx....
Jon Next
JodiMuse Ok - why don't we take a breather and let our guest talk about what HE wants to talk about. What do you say, Jon? Anything that's been happening these days with the music busienss particularly intrigue you?
Jon Lots of people are famous that suck
neonralph LOL!
Lancer lol
JodiMuse lol That AWAYS happens, doesn't it? Why do you think it happens though?
blue lol
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Jon The public is asleep/radio is into advertisng$/and are scared to try anything that is unique or original/it's all just a soap opera
Sierra ?
JodiMuse So what's the poor humble songwriter to do, do you think?
Jon The art is in small pockets
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neonralph So true...
Jon Keep writing good songs/it's not your fault
Jon Next
JodiMuse Sierra?
Sierra How do independent labels and releases fit into the picture?
neonralph Folks, I have to get going. Jon, thank you for taking the time to talk with us.
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Jon Independent labels and artists create their own picture
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Jon Next
neonralph Be sure to check out the 1999 UNISONG International Song Contest...www.unisong.com!
PhilGnCo ?
Lisa ?
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JodiMuse Go ahead, Phil.
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PhilGnCo Jon, Will you be getting back to Denver on occassion? And visiting the NSAI songwriting workshop?
blue Enjoyed the chat 5.30am comes early gotta go!
Jon If I'm invited and they pay air
Wyoming ?
JodiMuse Bye, blue.
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Jon Next
JodiMuse Lisa?
Lisa Jon - could you name six of your top favorite songwriters or songwriting teams that are mega stars (i.e. - Beatles, Dylan, Tammy Wynette, of that ilk.)
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JodiMuse Guys, just to let you know, I think we'll take one more question (that would be Wyoming) and then let Jon get back to his sushi. ;-)
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Jon Sting/Simon/Dylan/Young/Springsteen/Jagger/Haggard/Williams/Ims
Jon Just kiddin!
Wyoming Jon, I'm sure that a lot of people want to collaborate with you. Do you stay with past successful partners and do you look for new writers to collaborate with very often?
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Jon I've gone through a lot and settled on very few. I mostly write by myself these days
Pam Thanks Jon and JodiMuse for your time! Good Night...
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Sierra Thank you Jon for all of your valuable insights!
JodiMuse Bye Pam. Thanks for coming by. :-)
Jon Next
Wyoming Thanks Jon
JodiMuse Thanks very much for your time, Jon. We appreciate your coming by. And I think that's it -unless you want to talk about something else - which you're more than welcome to do. No more questions tonight. :-)
PhilGnCo Jon, tanx ever so much for taking time to chat with us. Maybe, if you get out to Denver for an NSAI meeting I can shake your hand and thank you in person.
Sierra Thanks to the chat room staff also, my first visit was great! See you next time.
shewfly Thanks Jon . Hope to talk to you soon.
Jon Okay/it was fun/good luck everyone and goodnight
JodiMuse Glad to have you by, Sierra. Hope to see you again next week!
Lisa Great advice Jon, thanks.
PhilGnCo Jodi, Thank you also for arranging these very informative chats.....
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JodiMuse Not just me, Phil. Danny and Sara and Jeff and Ralph are also responsible. We make a good team. :-)
PhilGnCo Till next week all.......
Nsara Jodi, great job, thanks!
JodiMuse No problem, Sara. It was fun. Take care, everyone!
PhilGnCo Oh. Thanks to ALL... (I really wasn't aware. I apologize for leaving them out)
Lisa Bye all, thanks.
JeffM bye everybody, thank you all for coming
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Nsara Goodnight all!
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Herb This place is emptying out rapidly!
shewfly Good night every one .Sara I missed your lesson at the NSAI local workshop.Sorry.
LC Goodnight
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Wyoming Hey guys, this is really helpful. Thankyou very much.
Wyoming Hope I can make it next time. see ya.
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Herb Does anybody know if SAW has sent out notices to MASC #15 winners yet?
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